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Old Apr 26 2019, 11:34 PM   #41
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If Sebell being forty and Menolly being a teenager is icky, then what about F'nor (who is mid thirties, easily)and experienced being with Brekke, who is 16-19 and virgin?
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Why does Menolly "need" to be hooked up with anyone? She's her own woman, focusing on her career. Plus, she already has 10 firelizards to take care of. I thought Sebell was boring, and the method used to hook them up was yet another "but they must!" moment, which I didn't expect to see in the HH trilogy (which was supposed to be aimed towards young readers).

If Menolly simply *had* to have a partner, Mirrim seems more likely than anyone else. Menolly is probably the only person Mirrim consistently gets along with, and they're both giving whatever the Pernese equivalent of the middle finger is to the patriarchy. Once Path can fly Between, distance isn't even an issue for them. They just seem to click more with each other than any of their male "love" interests. Plus, it would have been nice to see a canonical lesbian relationship on Pern before Xhinna and Taria.
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Following this thread , I don't have much to add, outside of maybe Sebell was as his 2I c he was not doing the gather and wedding like other harpers, were he could be doing more spi work, and being his shadow. doing things that only a special person could do, not someone doing the public route, as an example. from a different bbook, Moreta: Dragonlady of P the one that replaced the dead Master Harper at Ruatha, the one thatnamed Skinny and was thinking that runneserem could stop it and bring the runners needed in the main hold. Tero sp
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Not all that likely, since she'd need a majority of votes by all the Masters, both inside and outside the Hall. And Masterharper is a highly political position, requiring contact with Weyrleaders, Lord Holders and other Mastercrafters all over Pern. Many of whom look on women mainly as baby-machines, not leaders of any stripe.
I don't know. I think by the time that might happen, she would be well established as a masterhaper skilled in many areas and would be a good candidate for Masterharper. And I think by that point Pern would accept her.
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Well not to go fully off topic, but one of her friends is in the later books, a MasterSmith, Jancis who is married to Pimer andthey did have one son., and The MastherSmith is the Granddaughter of Fanderal , who pput her in in The Skies of Pern. as his pproxy.

Getting back to Mennolly becomeing a Master I don't recall which Loard Holder objected to her becoming one.

Also in The Skies of Pern whe see a Lady Holder and a few do recall other ones, just saying, sorry my mind is fissing out, so I shall stop here.

PS Sharron Manjaced her Lady Holder and a Master Healer quite well, along with a few others, I shall have to come back and break off this thopic to a new thread when I am thinking clearer.
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If Sebell being forty and Menolly being a teenager is icky, then what about F'nor (who is mid thirties, easily)and experienced being with Brekke, who is 16-19 and virgin?
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Don't know, but I just thought of something Ranto sp is Sebell grandfather, and related to MasterHarper Robinton , inThe MasterHarper of Pern, who had perfect memory,., and made insterments, but stayed on as a Foruster, I am talking about Sebell's grandfather, but wanted his grandson to try and become a harper,, when Robinton was a boy, I don't recall when hwalks the table,, about as fast as his menter, who sends him to Igen Hold, for a Turn, misses his aide, and later helps adifferent aprentice 'Tuck' to train with Nip' I haven't listen/read the book so just some of it is cocomming from my mind. HeThis talking abouhis walking the tables, could be one of those 'because Anne said so, or talking about a different one.

I think maybe Talmor just walked for some reason in Dragonsinger for in Dragonquest, He was taken along to help at Telgar WWeddings, or mabye Tegegar sp the one that became the MasterPrinter in skies of Pern. Just my thinking, Sometbhing to get a idea age wise, Also maybe he did more 'NipandTuck assigments, then Public ones. Just thought of this as I was finishing my post.
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I thought Sebell had been made journeyman shortly before Menolly came to the Harperhall!!
In the Harper Hall books, this is the timeline.

In the Mastersinger of Pern book, this may be contradicted, and certainly the timeline of that book makes him be much older than Menolly.

Anne was very good at putting conflicting information in books -- between a fuzzy memory and to best suit the current story she was telling. As fans we try to untangle the conflicts and provide plausible explanations for them, but sometimes there is no hand-waving a flat-out contradiction.
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I was always pretty sad we never got more of Domick in the books. Smart, sarcastic jerk who still treats his students fairly? Heart throb material right there. Sebell doesn't have half the personality Domick has.

also if I was going to hook Menolly up with a different character I would go with Audiva. Who doesn't love the supportive best friends to lovers trope?
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In the Harper Hall books, this is the timeline.

In the Mastersinger of Pern book, this may be contradicted, and certainly the timeline of that book makes him be much older than Menolly.

Anne was very good at putting conflicting information in books -- between a fuzzy memory and to best suit the current story she was telling. As fans we try to untangle the conflicts and provide plausible explanations for them, but sometimes there is no hand-waving a flat-out contradiction.
Let's face it. She could have used people like you, Hans, and P'ter to proofread the books, and point out these errors. Too bad, forums like this, didn't come about until long after she wrote the books.

I hear GRRM goes to the Webmasters of the Westeros.org site to help catch errors like these, before the books are published.

Let's also face the facts that while she did have some LGBTQIA characters in her books, they were mostly minor characters, because at the time, her publishers probably wouldn't have let her have major LGBTQIA characters.

And that, if she were alive, and re-writing the books today, she probably would have treated some of the major character relationship differently (especially, the first sex between Lessa/F'lar and Brekke/F'nor).

Publishing issues of a sexual relationship between a 15yo girl and a 40-50 yo man would result in a Sebell type character.

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I never understood the whole Menolly/Robinton or Menolly/Sebell trope, I didn’t get any lovers vibe from either. I always imagined that She would end up with a dragon rider and live in Benden.
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Let's face it. She could have used people like you, Hans, and P'ter to proofread the books, and point out these errors. Too bad, forums like this, didn't come about until long after she wrote the books.

I hear GRRM goes to the Webmasters of the Westeros.org site to help catch errors like these, before the books are published.

Let's also face the facts that while she did have some LGBTQIA characters in her books, they were mostly minor characters, because at the time, her publishers probably wouldn't have let her have major LGBTQIA characters.

And that, if she were alive, and re-writing the books today, she probably would have treated some of the major character relationship differently (especially, the first sex between Lessa/F'lar and Brekke/F'nor).

Publishing issues of a sexual relationship between a 15yo girl and a 40-50 yo man would result in a Sebell type character.

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Don't know, but I just thought of something Ranto sp is Sebell grandfather, and related to MasterHarper Robinton , inThe MasterHarper of Pern, who had perfect memory,., and made insterments, but stayed on as a Foruster, I am talking about Sebell's grandfather, but wanted his grandson to try and become a harper,, when Robinton was a boy, I don't recall when hwalks the table,, about as fast as his menter, who sends him to Igen Hold, for a Turn, misses his aide, and later helps adifferent aprentice 'Tuck' to train with Nip' I haven't listen/read the book so just some of it is cocomming from my mind. HeThis talking abouhis walking the tables, could be one of those 'because Anne said so, or talking about a different one.

I think maybe Talmor just walked for some reason in Dragonsinger for in Dragonquest, He was taken along to help at Telgar WWeddings, or mabye Tegegar sp the one that became the MasterPrinter in skies of Pern. Just my thinking, Sometbhing to get a idea age wise, Also maybe he did more 'NipandTuck assigments, then Public ones. Just thought of this as I was finishing my post.
Update: We do see Sebell in Gigi McCaffrey book, I am getting ready to head off line, and my spelling is starting to get bad, but we see what her take, between the Turn 15 I think. Note I don't have a way to book mark that book in audio, yet waiting on my new Victor Treck to be able to down load my collections of AAmC and the rest of the works, by the rest. Her take is muc easyer to take, and understand, even if I didn't get it till 3 years aaafter it was oout, but on a different note. meMenolly was helpigrade slates for him, and Seabel was Joneryman-Master then. later on a Master that summer to the MasterHarper. I hope this helps, and Por Pimer losing his foster mother, reminds me of how Anne lost her mom in real life, somewhat like I lost and that was a trigger for him to find his voice. Myself I found mway to lead someone to here, like we hatalked about after mom helped us take a week trip up here, so we came up here, over 20 years , fell apart he and I had a friendship,, but he don't want any contact from me, but he was sorry for my grandmother being gone. so I think we do have a thread of a contact between other friends. Note I am sorry to go off topic but I am using this as a real life I tthought he was the one, but not, he is older then i. so I hope that helps exexplains my using background from my life to the age difference between them. By the way whenflight she nearer to 17 Turns and most marry 16 or so Moreta comes to mind. I hope this helps.
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