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Old Aug 12 2021, 08:26 PM   #1
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Default Would it be possible to Impress a Dragon *and* be a Wher-handler?

There are plenty of dragonriders who Impress fire lizards, but I can't think of a single instance in canon where somebody has been able to have a dragon and wher at the same time. The closest is Lessa and Kindan having previously been wher-handlers (and it's uncertain whether or not Lessa was a real "handler" for Ruatha's watch-wher or not), but they Impress their dragons after their whers have either died or bonded with someone else.

Imagine how much differently "Dragonflight" would have gone if Lessa's wher (either Lessk or Ruask, probably), had survived. Do you think she *could* have Impressed Ramoth and kept her bond with the wher? I'm pretty sure R'gul and his cronies would have thought twice about trying to hold Lessa back with a snarling, protective wher in her corner. Wher bonds are specifically, by design, not as strong as the bonds between dragons and riders, so it seems at least theoretically possible to me.
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Old Aug 13 2021, 05:09 PM   #2
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Well she could be blooded to the Whatch-where for they are to know all of the the bloodline of the hold/cot/hall/ and Wyer Search was the short Sttory tht became Dragonflight. So Anne was just start to buld her would,. In Dragonblood, I do recall that Nuella was worryied that the hatching queen/gold was wanted her, but wanted someone else and that is was from Todds fir from his first solo work, and his own writing stile is a tad bit different then Anne, I an still working on gegetting Gigi book, yet, so I oand as for that book I d Don't have a audio copy of Dragonsblood/Bld to check myself I do have the hard copy but no way to see it.

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Default Re: Would it be possible to Impress a Dragon *and* be a Wher-handler?

Theoretically possible, but I don't think it would ever be allowed to happen in canon. Watch-whers are an odd mix of requiring more care and handling than a firelizard but yet as weak or weaker a bond than a firelizard. There care clearly could be handed off to someone else (as they usually bond to the whole family of a Hold), and given how all-consuming of time and energy a dragon bond is, I don't think it would be allowed to continue after Impression, they'd be expected to give up the watch-wher.
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Theoretically possible, but I don't think it would ever be allowed to happen in canon. Watch-whers are an odd mix of requiring more care and handling than a firelizard but yet as weak or weaker a bond than a firelizard. There care clearly could be handed off to someone else (as they usually bond to the whole family of a Hold), and given how all-consuming of time and energy a dragon bond is, I don't think it would be allowed to continue after Impression, they'd be expected to give up the watch-wher.

I agree with Cheryl on this one. I know that Anne herself considered Todd's Pern writings canon, but I don't, at least in the cases where he clearly contradicts what she's written before. Watchwhers were barely mentioned in Anne's writings, and when they were, it was mostly to comment on how ugly they were in comparison with dragons, and that their loyalty was to the family of the hold. It's been a while since I read the Pern books, but I seem to remember that many hidebound Pernese were rather shocked to learn that the watchwhers were related to the dragons.
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I don't know if my post 'when between' on me or not, But if there was a impression and that cold/hold/hall/mine whatch-wher hanlder did impress,and I was the family of the watch-where I would keep folks away from the den/kennel till a new was found, for think of the confustion, that would cauuse., also timeing would be a diffrent factor, for how , what IF the handler didn't then, I would get back to my duties as soon as I could,. I am just wonder here, something just crossed my mind, its related to that bond but I should all split it a different post,, what abouty miss-reading what about miss reading/understand ing your whatch-wher?

Dask was snapish before they were in the mine the last time, and proddty, could that be additional factor on a misunderstanding in understading them? Its comcome Dragon's Kin and the translated of the handler in Dragonseye/DE and/or Red RRast Rising/RSR too. The comment of Kindin brothers to the others is the only time we see them proddy, outside of the one in Dragon's Fire. I have a few thoughts and trying to breake this post is going not to be easy as I thought, need to reset my Jaws, my screen reaader no help till Wed. but then I shall come back and see if I can with a title for th thread I got nother my a bblank.
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