appreciate you dragon day - A Meeting of Minds

mawra · Jan 16 2014, 07:22 PM

To day is appreciate you dragon day.

Have you hugged your dragon today?

**Cheryl** · Jan 16 2014, 07:43 PM

This seems like a good day to add to our MoM calendar so we can more properly celebrate in the future - today is almost gone already!

A wee bit of googling turned up this site, from where Appreciate A Dragon Day apparently originates : http://www.donitakpaul.com/fun/aadd/

I think a good way for us to celebrate is with artwork as Mawra has done, and also just to list our favorite literary dragons.

Besides Pernese dragons, my favorites would be the Kantri from Elizabeth Kerner's books, and Maur from Robin McKinley.

Priscilla · Jan 16 2014, 08:03 PM

For sheer terror, one of my favorites is Smaug!

mawra · Jan 16 2014, 11:05 PM

I LOVE Gleep from Robert Asprin's Myth books

Allen · Jan 17 2014, 12:52 AM

Toothless, the Night Fury.

Golden Talisath · Jan 17 2014, 03:29 AM

The dragon from the Witcher collection of short stories, Villentretenmerth (I had to copy-paste the name from Witcher Wiki

), better known in his human form as Borch Three Jackdaws. Then Smaug, especially after seeing and hearing him in the new Hobbit movie. Draco, from the Dragonheart movie.

P'ter · Jan 17 2014, 04:27 AM

I rather like the one in "The Reluctant Dragon".

Allen · Jan 17 2014, 10:32 AM

The character man/dragon in The Dragon and the George series.

mawra · Jan 17 2014, 04:12 PM

I like that one also, Allen

Moonlady · Jan 20 2014, 10:46 PM

Sadly, the only dragons I read about was Pern. I need to get out.

Golden Talisath · Jan 24 2014, 04:45 AM

I just watched How to train your dragon (yes, it was for the first time... don't look at me like that, I somehow bypassed it), and MUST add Toothless on the list. He's so cuuuute

Lanen · Jan 24 2014, 06:32 AM

P'ter - yes, me too. I tend to be a wanton regarding dragons - love Toothless, Smaug, the Reluctant Dragon, and of course Annie Mac's wonderful Pernese dragons. My favorites? Really, gang, do you have to ask?

The Kantri. All three branches.

Allen · Jan 24 2014, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golden Talisath

I just watched How to train your dragon (yes, it was for the first time... don't look at me like that, I somehow bypassed it), and MUST add Toothless on the list. He's so cuuuute

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lanen

P'ter - yes, me too. I tend to be a wanton regarding dragons - love Toothless, Smaug, the Reluctant Dragon, and of course Annie Mac's wonderful Pernese dragons. My favorites? Really, gang, do you have to ask?

The Kantri. All three branches.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allen

Toothless, the Night Fury.

I brought up Toothless first. I have a Night Fury. I'll try to get a pic of him for you and post it.

Priscilla · Jan 24 2014, 12:26 PM

I haven't seen the movie either. My son gave me a little Stormfly dragon from something called Defenders of Berk for Christmas. He also gave me a lovely BookWyrm called Black Beauty. He knows I love dragons!

Allen · Jan 24 2014, 04:08 PM

But I'm not talking about a little night fury. I ride mine.

Priscilla · Jan 24 2014, 04:21 PM

Betting it's a motorcycle.

mawra · Jan 24 2014, 08:25 PM

I don't really like the look of Toothless, he reminds me of Stich in Lelo & Stich.

Golden Talisath · Jan 25 2014, 05:00 AM

Hmmm, I didn't get the connection while watching the movie, but now that you mention it, yeah, I can sure see Stich in some parts of the movie.

Allen · Jan 25 2014, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Priscilla

Betting it's a motorcycle.

NNnnnope! Sorry to take so long, but he's hard to photograph.

Priscilla · Jan 25 2014, 12:26 PM

I'm stumped. Looking forward to a picture!

mawra · Jan 25 2014, 12:44 PM

mawra · Jan 25 2014, 12:46 PM

mawra · Jan 25 2014, 12:55 PM

I think Spyro is cute, I just LOVE the look of him. He looks as if he won't take an BS from any one

Priscilla · Jan 25 2014, 01:01 PM

I love the blue dragons with the coffee pot and cookies. Blue dragons have always been my favorite color, right down to the tattoo on my ankle.

mawra · Jan 25 2014, 01:36 PM

There is a set of 3 pocket dragons I would to have. The first one is a sleep dragon dragging a coffee cup, the second one is the dragon taking a sip, the third the dragon is bouncing and wide awake.

Priscilla · Jan 25 2014, 01:41 PM

I love pocket dragons. They don't make them any more and since I don't shop online (my husband does occasionally) I doubt I'll ever have more than the few I've got. I don't have any of the coffee drinking ones.

Allen · Jan 25 2014, 02:00 PM

I have quite a few, and I think I might have some duplicates left from a bulk buy I got on ebay a few years back, but I doubt I have the coffee ones, since I never drink coffee. I consume mass quantities of tea.

Right now I have things packed away, including those extras. I have 78 pocket dragon pieces on display. There's still one I want. It's called "Hotter, hotter, hotter!" and is the only red pocket dragon ever made. Back in the day, it listed on ebay typically around $300 to $400. None on there right now.

Priscilla · Jan 25 2014, 02:06 PM

I've bought a couple from you before and they came well packed and in perfect shape. If you ever uncover your duplicates I might be interested in a few more. As I've said, love dragons!

Allen · Jan 25 2014, 05:26 PM

Did you ever see the plaques I made? So far there have been 3 made. Two were a pair, facing each other. All three were cut from 1 inch thick white oak planks over 100 years old, which is still about as hard as mild steel, but is not weldable.

My avatar is the pattern turned into a picture on Photoshop

Priscilla · Jan 25 2014, 05:47 PM

Lovely.

kevia · Jan 25 2014, 05:57 PM

Allen, I love that plaque! What beautiful work!

Allen · Jan 25 2014, 07:21 PM

I sources for all sorts of dragon patterns for scroll saw work. My prices start at $25 and go up depending on the material it's scrolled into, the complexity or the pattern, framing if needed and so on. Anything from Chinese dragons to a dragon on a skateboard and so on. Let me know if you're interested, and I can point you to pages like this guy ready to climb out of the picture. Notice his claws are outside of the frame.

The site, Wooden Teddy Bear, sells the pattern (which is part of my price) and other supplies. The dragons, fairies, and so on are in the "mythical" section.

There are other sites and patterns, too.

Oh, and the patterns could be cut into colored plastic sheets instead of wood.

I googled "dragon scroll saw pattern and came up with this.

Allen · Jan 25 2014, 11:36 PM

My Night Fury is my '04 Ford Taurus. The headlights look like they have vertical slit pupils when they're on, and with the overall shape of the front of the car, it reminds me of a Night Fury. I tried to get a pic of it, but the "eyes" didn't show up.

Golden Talisath · Jan 26 2014, 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allen

My Night Fury is my '04 Ford Taurus. The headlights look like they have vertical slit pupils when they're on, and with the overall shape of the front of the car, it reminds me of a Night Fury. I tried to get a pic of it, but the "eyes" didn't show up.

He, he, close enough, Cilla

Priscilla · Jan 26 2014, 07:03 AM

Well, it was a vehicle at least. We had a Ford Taurus for years. First car Jeff & I had with automatic transmission (yes, I can drive standard). We drove it for about 10 years, gave it to my daughter's boyfriend when his mother totalled his car (don't ask) and then sold it to his younger brother for $100. He drove it for about a year until it was totalled while it was parked by some jerk who couldn't make the corner. That was a decent car.

GinnyStar · Jan 29 2014, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allen

Did you ever see the plaques I made? So far there have been 3 made. Two were a pair, facing each other. All three were cut from 1 inch thick white oak planks over 100 years old, which is still about as hard as mild steel, but is not weldable.

My avatar is the pattern turned into a picture on Photoshop

I like it

Jan 16 2014, 07:22 PM	#1
mawra Dolphin Friend Craftmaster Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CONCORD VA Fan of: PERN Now Reading: Dolphins of Pern and Queens ow	appreciate you dragon day To day is appreciate you dragon day. Have you hugged your dragon today? __________________ MEDDLE NOT IN THE AFAIRS OF DRAGONS, FOR YOU ARE CRUNCHY & GOOD WITH CHOCOLATE SO MANY BOOKS SO LITTLE TIME DRIVING SMART KEEPS YOU ALIVE

Jan 16 2014, 07:43 PM	#2
Cheryl Master Archivist Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Maryland, USA Pronouns: She/her Fan of: Pern! Now Reading: Relentless Moon by MRKowal	Re: appreciate you dragon day This seems like a good day to add to our MoM calendar so we can more properly celebrate in the future - today is almost gone already! A wee bit of googling turned up this site, from where Appreciate A Dragon Day apparently originates : http://www.donitakpaul.com/fun/aadd/ I think a good way for us to celebrate is with artwork as Mawra has done, and also just to list our favorite literary dragons. Besides Pernese dragons, my favorites would be the Kantri from Elizabeth Kerner's books, and Maur from Robin McKinley. __________________ Visit one of the other sites of Cheryl's Anne McCaffrey Triad: Sariel's Guide to Pern: a detailed guide to the series The Many Works of Anne McCaffrey: largest fan site about Anne and ALL of her works McCaffrey Quest: annual trivia contest.

Jan 16 2014, 08:03 PM	#3
Priscilla Super Stitcher Craftmaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Fan of: No One Noticed The Cat	Re: appreciate you dragon day For sheer terror, one of my favorites is Smaug! __________________ As You Wish - "The Princess Bride"

Jan 16 2014, 11:05 PM	#4
mawra Dolphin Friend Craftmaster Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CONCORD VA Fan of: PERN Now Reading: Dolphins of Pern and Queens ow	Re: appreciate you dragon day I LOVE Gleep from Robert Asprin's Myth books __________________ MEDDLE NOT IN THE AFAIRS OF DRAGONS, FOR YOU ARE CRUNCHY & GOOD WITH CHOCOLATE SO MANY BOOKS SO LITTLE TIME DRIVING SMART KEEPS YOU ALIVE

Jan 17 2014, 12:52 AM	#5
Allen Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Last house on the left, across from the cemetery Fan of: The Pern Series Now Reading: Robin Hobb's Shaman's Crossing	Re: appreciate you dragon day Toothless, the Night Fury. __________________ *All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.*

Jan 17 2014, 03:29 AM	#6
Golden Talisath Dragonrider storyteller Junior Weyrwoman Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Serbia Fan of: F'lar and Lessa, DF Now Reading: My university books	Re: appreciate you dragon day The dragon from the Witcher collection of short stories, Villentretenmerth (I had to copy-paste the name from Witcher Wiki), better known in his human form as Borch Three Jackdaws. Then Smaug, especially after seeing and hearing him in the new Hobbit movie. Draco, from the Dragonheart movie. __________________ *"Manuscripts don't burn", Woland, ''The Master and Margarita*'' From the Weyr and from the Bowl Bronze and Brown and Blue and Green, Rise the dragonmen of Pern, Aloft, on wing, seen, then unseen. Dragonman avoid excess Greed will bring the Weyr distress; To the ancient Laws adhere, Prospers thus the Dragon-weyr.

Jan 17 2014, 04:27 AM	#7
P'ter Crafter Craftmaster Join Date: May 2006 Location: Wolverhampton Pronouns: He/him Fan of: Favorite? Now Reading: avidly	Re: appreciate you dragon day I rather like the one in "The Reluctant Dragon". __________________ "Truth is stranger than fiction: fiction has to make sense." Leo Rosten. "When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." C. S. Lewis "I find television very educational. Whenever somebody switches it on I go in the other room and read a book." (attributed to Groucho Marx) The Pedants are revolting! (against bad grammar)

Jan 17 2014, 10:32 AM	#8
Allen Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Last house on the left, across from the cemetery Fan of: The Pern Series Now Reading: Robin Hobb's Shaman's Crossing	Re: appreciate you dragon day The character man/dragon in The Dragon and the George series. __________________ *All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.*

Jan 17 2014, 04:12 PM	#9
mawra Dolphin Friend Craftmaster Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CONCORD VA Fan of: PERN Now Reading: Dolphins of Pern and Queens ow	Re: appreciate you dragon day I like that one also, Allen __________________ MEDDLE NOT IN THE AFAIRS OF DRAGONS, FOR YOU ARE CRUNCHY & GOOD WITH CHOCOLATE SO MANY BOOKS SO LITTLE TIME DRIVING SMART KEEPS YOU ALIVE

Jan 20 2014, 10:46 PM	#10
Moonlady Triumping over Hell Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: In Controlled Chaos Fan of: Crystal Singer series Now Reading: Spirit Dances by CE Murphy	Re: appreciate you dragon day Sadly, the only dragons I read about was Pern. I need to get out. __________________ "In dreams your spirit visits higher realms and watches over the shaping of this reality. That is why dreams have power and why sometimes they show the future." The Secret Sky by Jeanine Berry

Jan 24 2014, 04:45 AM	#11
Golden Talisath Dragonrider storyteller Junior Weyrwoman Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Serbia Fan of: F'lar and Lessa, DF Now Reading: My university books	Re: appreciate you dragon day I just watched How to train your dragon (yes, it was for the first time... don't look at me like that, I somehow bypassed it), and MUST add Toothless on the list. He's so cuuuute __________________ *"Manuscripts don't burn", Woland, ''The Master and Margarita*'' From the Weyr and from the Bowl Bronze and Brown and Blue and Green, Rise the dragonmen of Pern, Aloft, on wing, seen, then unseen. Dragonman avoid excess Greed will bring the Weyr distress; To the ancient Laws adhere, Prospers thus the Dragon-weyr.

Jan 24 2014, 06:32 AM	#12
Lanen Kaelar of Kolmar Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Body in Scotland, head in Kolmar Fan of: The Ship Who Sang Now Reading: Winds of Change and Shaping	Re: appreciate you dragon day P'ter - yes, me too. I tend to be a wanton regarding dragons - love Toothless, Smaug, the Reluctant Dragon, and of course Annie Mac's wonderful Pernese dragons. My favorites? Really, gang, do you have to ask? The Kantri. All three branches. __________________ That which you do by act of will you must answer for. -from Winds of Change and Shaping, by Elizabeth Kerner

Jan 24 2014, 12:26 PM	#14
Priscilla Super Stitcher Craftmaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Fan of: No One Noticed The Cat	Re: appreciate you dragon day I haven't seen the movie either. My son gave me a little Stormfly dragon from something called Defenders of Berk for Christmas. He also gave me a lovely BookWyrm called Black Beauty. He knows I love dragons! __________________ As You Wish - "The Princess Bride"

Jan 24 2014, 04:08 PM	#15
Allen Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Last house on the left, across from the cemetery Fan of: The Pern Series Now Reading: Robin Hobb's Shaman's Crossing	Re: appreciate you dragon day But I'm not talking about a little night fury. I ride mine. __________________ *All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.*

Jan 24 2014, 04:21 PM	#16
Priscilla Super Stitcher Craftmaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Fan of: No One Noticed The Cat	Re: appreciate you dragon day Betting it's a motorcycle. __________________ As You Wish - "The Princess Bride"

Jan 24 2014, 08:25 PM	#17
mawra Dolphin Friend Craftmaster Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CONCORD VA Fan of: PERN Now Reading: Dolphins of Pern and Queens ow	Re: appreciate you dragon day I don't really like the look of Toothless, he reminds me of Stich in Lelo & Stich. __________________ MEDDLE NOT IN THE AFAIRS OF DRAGONS, FOR YOU ARE CRUNCHY & GOOD WITH CHOCOLATE SO MANY BOOKS SO LITTLE TIME DRIVING SMART KEEPS YOU ALIVE

Jan 25 2014, 05:00 AM	#18
Golden Talisath Dragonrider storyteller Junior Weyrwoman Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Serbia Fan of: F'lar and Lessa, DF Now Reading: My university books	Re: appreciate you dragon day Hmmm, I didn't get the connection while watching the movie, but now that you mention it, yeah, I can sure see Stich in some parts of the movie. __________________ *"Manuscripts don't burn", Woland, ''The Master and Margarita*'' From the Weyr and from the Bowl Bronze and Brown and Blue and Green, Rise the dragonmen of Pern, Aloft, on wing, seen, then unseen. Dragonman avoid excess Greed will bring the Weyr distress; To the ancient Laws adhere, Prospers thus the Dragon-weyr.

Jan 25 2014, 12:26 PM	#20
Priscilla Super Stitcher Craftmaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Fan of: No One Noticed The Cat	Re: appreciate you dragon day I'm stumped. Looking forward to a picture! __________________ As You Wish - "The Princess Bride"

Jan 25 2014, 12:44 PM	#21
mawra Dolphin Friend Craftmaster Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CONCORD VA Fan of: PERN Now Reading: Dolphins of Pern and Queens ow	Re: appreciate you dragon day __________________ MEDDLE NOT IN THE AFAIRS OF DRAGONS, FOR YOU ARE CRUNCHY & GOOD WITH CHOCOLATE SO MANY BOOKS SO LITTLE TIME DRIVING SMART KEEPS YOU ALIVE

Jan 25 2014, 12:46 PM	#22
mawra Dolphin Friend Craftmaster Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CONCORD VA Fan of: PERN Now Reading: Dolphins of Pern and Queens ow	Re: appreciate you dragon day __________________ MEDDLE NOT IN THE AFAIRS OF DRAGONS, FOR YOU ARE CRUNCHY & GOOD WITH CHOCOLATE SO MANY BOOKS SO LITTLE TIME DRIVING SMART KEEPS YOU ALIVE

Jan 25 2014, 12:55 PM	#23
mawra Dolphin Friend Craftmaster Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CONCORD VA Fan of: PERN Now Reading: Dolphins of Pern and Queens ow	Re: appreciate you dragon day I think Spyro is cute, I just LOVE the look of him. He looks as if he won't take an BS from any one __________________ MEDDLE NOT IN THE AFAIRS OF DRAGONS, FOR YOU ARE CRUNCHY & GOOD WITH CHOCOLATE SO MANY BOOKS SO LITTLE TIME DRIVING SMART KEEPS YOU ALIVE

Jan 25 2014, 01:01 PM	#24
Priscilla Super Stitcher Craftmaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Fan of: No One Noticed The Cat	Re: appreciate you dragon day I love the blue dragons with the coffee pot and cookies. Blue dragons have always been my favorite color, right down to the tattoo on my ankle. __________________ As You Wish - "The Princess Bride"

Jan 25 2014, 01:36 PM	#25
mawra Dolphin Friend Craftmaster Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CONCORD VA Fan of: PERN Now Reading: Dolphins of Pern and Queens ow	Re: appreciate you dragon day There is a set of 3 pocket dragons I would to have. The first one is a sleep dragon dragging a coffee cup, the second one is the dragon taking a sip, the third the dragon is bouncing and wide awake. __________________ MEDDLE NOT IN THE AFAIRS OF DRAGONS, FOR YOU ARE CRUNCHY & GOOD WITH CHOCOLATE SO MANY BOOKS SO LITTLE TIME DRIVING SMART KEEPS YOU ALIVE

Jan 25 2014, 01:41 PM	#26
Priscilla Super Stitcher Craftmaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Fan of: No One Noticed The Cat	Re: appreciate you dragon day I love pocket dragons. They don't make them any more and since I don't shop online (my husband does occasionally) I doubt I'll ever have more than the few I've got. I don't have any of the coffee drinking ones. __________________ As You Wish - "The Princess Bride"

Jan 25 2014, 02:00 PM	#27
Allen Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Last house on the left, across from the cemetery Fan of: The Pern Series Now Reading: Robin Hobb's Shaman's Crossing	Re: appreciate you dragon day I have quite a few, and I think I might have some duplicates left from a bulk buy I got on ebay a few years back, but I doubt I have the coffee ones, since I never drink coffee. I consume mass quantities of tea. Right now I have things packed away, including those extras. I have 78 pocket dragon pieces on display. There's still one I want. It's called "Hotter, hotter, hotter!" and is the only red pocket dragon ever made. Back in the day, it listed on ebay typically around $300 to $400. None on there right now. __________________ *All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.*

Jan 25 2014, 02:06 PM	#28
Priscilla Super Stitcher Craftmaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Fan of: No One Noticed The Cat	Re: appreciate you dragon day I've bought a couple from you before and they came well packed and in perfect shape. If you ever uncover your duplicates I might be interested in a few more. As I've said, love dragons! __________________ As You Wish - "The Princess Bride"

Jan 25 2014, 05:26 PM	#29
Allen Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Last house on the left, across from the cemetery Fan of: The Pern Series Now Reading: Robin Hobb's Shaman's Crossing	Re: appreciate you dragon day Did you ever see the plaques I made? So far there have been 3 made. Two were a pair, facing each other. All three were cut from 1 inch thick white oak planks over 100 years old, which is still about as hard as mild steel, but is not weldable. My avatar is the pattern turned into a picture on Photoshop __________________ *All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.*

Jan 25 2014, 05:47 PM	#30
Priscilla Super Stitcher Craftmaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Fan of: No One Noticed The Cat	Re: appreciate you dragon day Lovely. __________________ As You Wish - "The Princess Bride"

Jan 25 2014, 05:57 PM	#31
kevia Ballybran Resident Tuner Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Somewhere in the USA Fan of: Nimisha's Ship Now Reading: Crystal Line	Re: appreciate you dragon day Allen, I love that plaque! What beautiful work! __________________ Kevia

Jan 25 2014, 07:21 PM	#32
Allen Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Last house on the left, across from the cemetery Fan of: The Pern Series Now Reading: Robin Hobb's Shaman's Crossing	Re: appreciate you dragon day I sources for all sorts of dragon patterns for scroll saw work. My prices start at $25 and go up depending on the material it's scrolled into, the complexity or the pattern, framing if needed and so on. Anything from Chinese dragons to a dragon on a skateboard and so on. Let me know if you're interested, and I can point you to pages like this guy ready to climb out of the picture. Notice his claws are outside of the frame. The site, Wooden Teddy Bear, sells the pattern (which is part of my price) and other supplies. The dragons, fairies, and so on are in the "mythical" section. There are other sites and patterns, too. Oh, and the patterns could be cut into colored plastic sheets instead of wood. I googled "dragon scroll saw pattern and came up with this. __________________ *All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.* Last edited by Allen; Jan 25 2014 at 08:16 PM.

Jan 25 2014, 11:36 PM	#33
Allen Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Last house on the left, across from the cemetery Fan of: The Pern Series Now Reading: Robin Hobb's Shaman's Crossing	Re: appreciate you dragon day My Night Fury is my '04 Ford Taurus. The headlights look like they have vertical slit pupils when they're on, and with the overall shape of the front of the car, it reminds me of a Night Fury. I tried to get a pic of it, but the "eyes" didn't show up. __________________ *All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.*

Jan 26 2014, 07:03 AM	#35
Priscilla Super Stitcher Craftmaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Fan of: No One Noticed The Cat	Re: appreciate you dragon day Well, it was a vehicle at least. We had a Ford Taurus for years. First car Jeff & I had with automatic transmission (yes, I can drive standard). We drove it for about 10 years, gave it to my daughter's boyfriend when his mother totalled his car (don't ask) and then sold it to his younger brother for $100. He drove it for about a year until it was totalled while it was parked by some jerk who couldn't make the corner. That was a decent car. __________________ As You Wish - "The Princess Bride"

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