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Old Apr 27 2006, 08:40 AM   #1
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Gold Pern concept art?

Someone on AMCF found this. Although the artist hasn't said, it really looks like it must be of Pern, as any of us fans will recognize Threadfall, Lessa's Impression, and some of the other scenes when we see them!

http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=64194

So, if someone has commissioned Pern concept art, it would seem that there is basis to the current movie deal rumor!
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Old Apr 27 2006, 08:51 AM   #2
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Glad you posted the link over here as well.

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Old Apr 27 2006, 09:54 AM   #3
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Some of that looks really great and does have a Pernese feeling, yes.

While the quality is high the work doesn't score very high on originality.
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Old Apr 27 2006, 10:07 AM   #4
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Its quite good- better than some of the book covers
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Old Apr 27 2006, 10:20 AM   #5
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While the quality is high the work doesn't score very high on originality.

What do you mean by originality? And how original do you think it should be?

Personally, for concept art, I reckon the requirements are totally different. It's something that's there to sell a project, to garner interest, and (AFAIK) primarily aimed at generating ideas within the project team, and appealing to people with no prior knowledge of the subject.

If it was just there as fan art, I'd agree with you. But as it was commissioned with a specific purpose in mind, I'd be more interested in hearing peoples thoughts on how it does/doesn't work AS concept art.
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Old Apr 27 2006, 12:42 PM   #6
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*nods* Most concept artists are just given a basic base to work off of and then they flesh out ideas from there and then pick out what they like from a wide range of looks. This person said that he wasn't a dragon expert, and I assume he hasn't read Pern, so I can't fault him for being off base as far as the dragon details go. Concept artists in general usually aren't specialized (with exceptions like experts in the field of Tolkein like Alan Lee and John Howe, but they aren't "general") so don't expect spot on accuracy from all artists. They just compile features from different people's visions.

But I LOVE the colors used, and the eyes are gorgeous. Excellant depiction of thread, and the riding furs/leathers are spectacular
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Old Apr 27 2006, 04:06 PM   #7
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Reds & blacks...pretty much all I got in color. Dark...but the detail was nice. I didnt see what you see as thread. I see flaming at blackness. Definately a go on the clothing.

For concept art, its rather good.

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Old Apr 27 2006, 06:08 PM   #8
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Looks nice. And like Dyna, I don't see thread so much as dark clouds. Maybe ash?
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Old Apr 27 2006, 07:27 PM   #9
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There's definitely Thread there. Large ones just below the hindquarters of the main dragon, at the bottom center-ish, and one more above the flames. They're more reddish-orange than silver, but then the whole image is overcast in that color. There are also faint streaks all over the picture.
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Old Apr 27 2006, 07:28 PM   #10
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There are some fine lines angling down in places, which I take to be thread...since it would be silly for dragons to go around flaming rain.
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I saw Thread.
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Hmmm, if this is pre pre-pro concept art then it will be quite a while before we see anything more positive. But it's interesting to see that Pern is still being considered for the big screen. We'd all love to see it happen!!!
I read thru all the other postings and there is one guy who is positive it's Anne's Pern and of course those of us familiar with the books can see Pern in these drawings, F'lar and Lessa and Ramoth for sure in addition to the thread fighting scene. There are other posts by folks who don't seem to know it's Pern saying they can see the attachment between rider and dragon and also say that the dragons aren't the typical ones, they seem nicer. (my paraphrasing there)
The artist is really good if he's not a dragony type of person. I really like the pic of F'lar and the color one of Lessa leaning on Ramoth. She does that in the book and it's neat to see.
(Oh, if you decide to read the posts, the language is not the best in some of them.)
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What exactly IS pre pre-pro?
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pre-pro would be pre-production; before they started filming the thing.

no?
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Yes. Is this a sign of hope for the movie?
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It appears to be so. I querried Todd about it, and made sure he couldn't dodge around it with the ever abundant "We all hope for it" comments of his unless he ignores the question completely. Now to wait...
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You're not going to get anything out of Todd. If it was at the stage where they could publicly talk about it, then they'd be shouting it from the rooftops.
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when they're thinking of planning the film? ???
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You're not going to get anything out of Todd. If it was at the stage where they could publicly talk about it, then they'd be shouting it from the rooftops.
No, it was in an email to his site. He's answered one of mine before in a potentially compromising question, so hopefully he'll say SOMEthing. I never asked him for details, just if the movie deal that they announced at Dragon*Con was still in the works.
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<snip> He's answered one of mine before in a potentially compromising question, ...<snip>
The Saliva Experience, right?
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Yup, and even AFTER the explanation it was even more compromising!
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Yep, but then I can check IP addresses.
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Hi, new to the boards, and the link isn't working for me...
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Cheryl, like our Newbie friend above, (hi and welcome BTW ). the link isn't working for me. Keeps coming up with an 'Invalid Thread' message.
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I think it's dead or something. That link used to work. But doesn't work anymore for me either.
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Yeah, seem to be pulled.

Ah, they seems to have forum database trouble too, it's a regular PHP board with a custom skin.
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Earlier today the entire site was down. Hopefully in a couple days they'll get the database issue fixed, and then perhaps we can do a search and see if the art is still there somewhere.

Lucky I was smart enough to make a copy of it for myself!
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Until the site is back, you can look at it here http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/32818082/
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Uhm, do you have permission, Spiff?
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That's exactly what I said over at the KT, I wasn't going to post it at all, but Crispy said since it was already published online, money isn't being made, and I'm not taking credit (take a look at the post beneath the picture, I EXPLICITLY state it is not mine, not taking credit, and where it origianally came from.) But as I said over there, if it is in fact infringing on anything, I'll take it down ASAP.

*edit* Also added credit to the artist, thanks to Ryuu for tipping me on his name

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I hope crispy is right but I'm not 100% sure about it. You do put something up for view that a) isn't yours and b) obviously is taken down at another site (a situation for which there might (or not) be a reason.

Let me say it this way, spiff, I have the pics too (of course ) but I am certainly not making them available until I know more about the whole situation
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Oh, well. It was good to get a better look. What's done is done. Right?
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I think it is a violation Spiff. The art is not yours to make public; it doesn't matter that the artist had it published earlier. If all somebody had to do to publish the work of another was give them proper credit, artists would have a hard time making a living. If you choose to risk it and keep the art on your site, could you please remove the link to it from MoM?

It could have been a violation for the artist to post it too -- as professionally commissioned artwork I would think the copyright rests with whomever commissioned it.

Interestingly, the artist no longer seems to a member of that forum (while searches still don't work there, the member list is accessible and he's not on it). It's hard to separate what's caused by their forum difficulties versus deliberate actions that could have been taken in regards to the thread or artist, but there's certainly the possibility here that the artist got in trouble and had his membership revoked.

One last note -- while republishing the art online is a violation, I don't believe having saved it for personal viewing is. And as email distribution is a private transaction rather than a public one, passing it on via email shouldn't be a violation either.
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