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Old Oct 26 2018, 10:11 PM   #4681
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My little dragon, or not so little, has used her wing and flown the cave.

I am excited, I found a website that sales dragon tee shirts in my size. I can never find my size. I now own 5 or 6 and LOVE some of the ones I can't get right now.
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Old Oct 26 2018, 11:59 PM   #4682
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https://www.miaprintspro.com/stores/...nqsHef4kojetCI

This is the the dragon tee shirt link. Their sizes run true & they have up to 6 extra large.
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Old Oct 27 2018, 10:53 AM   #4683
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They have some nice stuff..
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Old Oct 27 2018, 07:59 PM   #4684
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There are too many that I want.
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Old Oct 28 2018, 06:08 PM   #4685
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I didn't go through them all, but I saw some that had a saying on them that I've seen on other shirts, usually with some sort of militaristic picture.
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Old Oct 30 2018, 12:18 AM   #4686
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I can never find dragon shirts my size.
So far I have
Dragons are the reason Santa has a naughty list
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragon
I'm a dragon in a human body
Several spros, purple dragon, pulling a sled
And a couple of others. I've been trying for years to find a "do not meddle in the affairs for you are crunchy and good with ketchup" shirt in a 4 xl.
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Old Nov 1 2018, 12:46 PM   #4687
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Kibby 23!????
GEEZ, time does fly indeed.


It's already 11 years ago since we surprised Anne at Eurocon in Copenhagen with the book, 16 years ago since we first went to Dragonhold by invitation and next year it'll be 20 F**ing years ago since it all started with that Alliance Atlantis bulletin board... a mere few years after I started tompost on the usenet group alt.fan.pern and met Cheryl...


Not 71 yet but it feel like that at times
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Old Nov 1 2018, 07:07 PM   #4688
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I can never find dragon shirts my size.
So far I have
Dragons are the reason Santa has a naughty list
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragon
I'm a dragon in a human body
Several spros, purple dragon, pulling a sled
And a couple of others. I've been trying for years to find a "do not meddle in the affairs for you are crunchy and good with ketchup" shirt in a 4 xl.
Try out this site thru Ebay, It says they have that t-shirt up to size 5X.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Meddle-Not-...-/181457233484
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Old Nov 2 2018, 03:11 PM   #4689
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Will do
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Spent Thursday evening at a University WW1 Centenary function marketing my book "The Lives We Lost"; the collected biographies of every one on our war memorial plus a few extras I've found.
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Old Nov 6 2018, 07:00 PM   #4692
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I really wish it would stay dry for more than 2 days in a row. Pouring down rain this morning. Dogs did NOT want to go out. Their need finally over came their dislike of rain.
Luckily by the time I went to vote it was not raining as hard.
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Old Nov 10 2018, 07:41 PM   #4693
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Well life has been... interesting...of late.

We had generally been getting along fine, few health grumbles, bits of the house periodically falling apart, but we were generally doing okay.

Fast forward to the start of September. My husband was selected to take part in a workshop being run by his workplace. Was a relatively big deal, and included an all expenses paid trip over to Shanghai where the event was being held. I was somewhat uneasy about this, but wasn't about to get in the way. Things were going fine too...right up to day three when I got a phone call. After an improbable amount of telephone tennis (cheers, GDPR...), I eventually managed to get hold of the person I was after and was informed that he had been taken ill and was in hospital.

Now this was the *start* of possibly the most stressful week of my life.

We managed to figure out before too long that he'd had a stroke. That was the extent of the info we could get from the caseworker at the insurance company his employer were using.

China it turns out has some pretty strict data protection rules. This meant that we basically couldn't get anything out of them until forms had been signed etc. Fast forward a few days and we'd not really got much further forward, we knew he was alive. That was it... didn't know if he was on death's door or whether he was stuck in a Chinese hospital bed just unable to get to a phone.

By this point we were starting to make plans to get over there to see him. However at this point we ran into a few brick walls. You can't just hop on a plane to China. You need a visa. Now there is a specific type of visa to allow entry to the country to visit a family member who is having a medical emergency. However the Chinese government don't see me, his husband, as family. Visa denied. I can't get a normal visitor visa without an official invitation letter from "an official host" apparently...in this case that would be the hospital...who won't talk to me for exactly the same reason I just mentioned.

This was the point that we managed to get hold of the US Consulate in Shanghai. They took a great interest in the situation, and dispatched a couple of officers to try to find out what was going on. The hospital wouldn't even let them in the front door or confirm he was there...however it did at least get a couple of processes rolling.

They had given some tips on what to do if we were to go ahead with trying to visit...their advice being essentially to lie through our teeth while making the visa application. Thankfully this never became necessary.

A few days later I got a very slurred, barely understandable telephone call from him. He was alive and cogent enough to have managed to call me. It also meant that he was able to speak to the guy from the consulate (who had been virtually kicking the door down) and sign the necessary forms so we were able to finally get some information.

Turned into a hugely slow, complicated back and forth process on account of our only point of contact being via the health insurance...who wouldn't tell us anything until their team here had been able to check over it. Given that there was about an hour of overlap between the two teams thanks to the time difference, most of the information we were getting was at least 48 hours out of date...was rather annoying.

It took another couple of weeks, but eventually with a medical escort sent over from here (which also ran into visa headaches), we got him home. He's generally doing okay, far better than he has any right to judging from the scans I've seen, and we're just trying to get the long term care taken care of. This thanks to the joys of the NHS is nearly as hard as trying to get to China (initial appointment we were given was mid January...bearing in mind this was in mid September, when he was two days out of a hospital ICU), so is going to involve a fair bit of bashing heads against walls.

In summary though, he's still the same person, he should be able to get back to work soon we think, main headache is just some minor (in the context of such things) epileptic fits affecting his face and right arm. We're seeing specialists about that soon hopefully.

So yes... that's why I've been vacant lately.

On a more positive note, we did manage to make it to Scotiacon in the last week, and have some photos to share from that once I've sorted them out. While me own costume is still a long way from finished (barely any progress to report there), my husband and housemate did have theirs out for the first time at the event. So that was fun to see.
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Old Nov 12 2018, 11:35 AM   #4694
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The other night Kibby was out with some friends who were drinking. She did not feel comfortable riding home with the the ones who were suppose to take her home. So she called someone to come get her.

I'm proud of her. I take back what I said about her not listening. Kids really do listen, even when you think they aren't
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Good deal ! looks like you taught her well.
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Old Dec 2 2018, 04:12 PM   #4697
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Wow what a story Zelandeth. Glad it turned out relatively well but what a red tape hassle, I would have gone NUTS! My admiration goes out to you and your husband and also my best wishes for his health. Wishing you, and especially him, all the best.


Sorry for the late reaction, was in Asia myself when you and he were in deep shit
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Old Dec 6 2018, 06:00 PM   #4698
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Bit more of a normal update from me...

The clutch on the van decided to stop working last week, problem quickly traced to the failure of the slave cylinder. Not entirely unexpected given the thing had done so few miles during its life, rubber seals in things like that are usually some of the first things to show signs of stress when put back into regular use.

New one was £70 directly from Mercedes themselves, so I just got that rather than spending £50 on some piece of Chinesium off eBay. By the way, I'm still staggered by the fact that the main Mercedes dealer here has been able and willing to get parts for me...up to and including a replacement for the little green plastic lens for the turn signal warning light on the instrument panel. This is for a van which has been out of production since 1995 and is virtually extinct over here. They've treated me like royalty every time I've walked in too... definitely has left a good impression. Their parts lookup system is absolutely epic by the way, and I desperately wish that Citroen had anything vaguely like that.

New cylinder arrived 48 hours later, and the text arrived on my phone almost to the second when they'd said it would saying it was ready to collect.

Two hours later and I had a chance to fit it. Fifteen minutes start to finish.



It's the little black shiny thing in the centre of the image. Access is great. That's essentially looking straight in just behind the offside front wheel. Thing sits about a foot and a half off the ground so no need to jack it up or anything. The other lovely thing? The fasteners...they are all really good quality, so stuff just unbolts. No stripped heads or snapped bolts. It's refreshing!

Today I had a chance to get some work done on the Invacar for the first time in a month or so. Task for today: doors.

The ones I got with the original car (referred to from here on as KP - as the registration number is KPL139P) were visually scruffy but in good condition overall. Locks were in good working order as were the rollers that sit on the rail the doors slide on at the bottom. The window frames at the top were shot though.

The spares car doors were superficially in better shape - however the nearside one had a totally seized lock mechanism which resisted all attempts to free it off. The frame where the exterior door handle assembly attached had been fairly badly mangled when someone had tried to sort it in the past.

The offside door had a working lock but there were a lot of cracks in the surface and the skin had come away from the frame in several places, resulting in a door with the structural integrity of a soggy cardboard box. Oh, and the exterior door handle was missing.

Both of them though had good window frames. So the plan was obvious: take the good window frames and stick them on my spares car doors.

This was a pretty simple plan and sure enough it was easy enough to do so with the first door this afternoon. Well, it *would* have been if it hadn't turned out to be necessary to drill out every single screw involved. So what should have been a 30 minute jobs took two hours.

Got there in the end though.



For the first time, that's actually a working door. Which is useful as getting into or out of the other door involves clambering over a load of stuff in the garage.

Obviously need to reinstall the glass, but I need to pick up some more fasteners for that as the screws I have in stock all have too tall heads and would interfere with the window runners.
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Hahaha... you've been busy Zelandeth. And that's good I am not surprised at all with the Mercedes quality service, virtually all Merc dealers are top notch ans the brand itself is, noblesse obige and all that.


Always a pleasure to read these kind of posts by you. Thanks.
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Old Dec 7 2018, 04:07 PM   #4700
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Weather report. 0-12 inches of snow. They can't decide if we're going to get snow or not.
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Maw: you know the snow can only fall after T. Rump has consulted his Celtic runes to see whether the snow is illegal foreign snow or legal born-in-the-USA snow.


Incidentally, somebody has published a Trump Annual for 2019, full of Hair-flair tips, cut-out Donald masks to scare your kids, and Top Trump Fake News & Gossip.
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Today's achievement: one fully rebuilt and working door.



Refitting the glass single handedly was awkward but I mercifully managed it without dropping anything.

The doors on this thing are really odd in that they drop outwards at the top yet sit on a runner at the base, and slide forward to open. Further reducing the space needed to get in and out of what's already a tiny car. Slotting this into improbably tight spots in the supermarket car park and watch the SUV drivers seethe is going to be fun.
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Zelandeth, did you know that the inline 6 of the Datsun 240Z (USA, Fair Lady Z in Japan) was actually a Mercedes design? Nissan's improvement was an oil pressure fed OHC chain tensioner; Mercedes used a manually-adjusted one. Mercedes bought the Nissan tensioner for their motors. I was told this by a Datsun dealer in 1969, and a Mercedes dealer reluctantly verified it.
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Every day's a school day as they say. That's not something I'd heard Allen. Both companies who at least in their history have been reputed for their engineering quality, so it's a partnership that would make sense. I can see them working quite happily together with mutual respect for the engineering from both sides.

Mercedes these days have really lost their way a bit. We see a lot of demonstrators through the doors through on of our housemate's job, and they're nice enough cars but just don't feel special in the way they really should with the price tag. The dealer network has earned my respect though and that's worth a lot. I've driven quite a few vans from the 80s and 90s and the Merc T1 really has always felt on another level to the likes of the Ford Transit, Talbot Express, Renault Master etc. Only one I'd consider in the same level would be the VW LT - though it was technically a segment larger. Same can't really be said these days. Couldn't tell any of the current crop apart really if you taped over the logo on the steering wheel.

I think one of my automotive tasks for one day will be trying to work out how many models of car the Invacar contains bits of. It will be quite a list I reckon!

The AC badge on the nose (when I refit it) will confuse folks no end I reckon. Yes, the same AC as are normally associated with the Cobra, they made this little blue oddity.
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That would be Auto Corporation.

What you said about taping over the badges: Years ago, Chrysler Corp. bought Mitsubishi; They took a 3000 and a Dodge Avenger and first let people test both while seeing the badges. Since the American cars in general and Chrysler in particular were usually considered inferior to the then-current Japanese cars, people preferred the Mitsubishi. But when they disguised the badges so no one knew which car was which, people chose the dodge as superior in quality and performance.

Just shows to go ya!

(I'd like to get a chance to drive a TVR, one of the hot sporty ones, of course.)
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I've always found American cars to be nice comfortable places to be. Okay the plastics on the top of the dash might not be quite as nice as in an Audi...but I don't find myself tapping the dash very often... I'd much rather have a nice comfy squidgy seat than a fancy dash top.

We had a 1998 Chevrolet Astro as our run around a few years ago when we visited the US, and I very seriously looked into shipping it back here as it was such a comfortable thing to waft around in...but it was going to cost somewhere around £5000 in shipping and fees, and I just couldn't afford that.

Today I got the window and such stripped off the offside door from the Invacar (after drilling out another 8274662819 screws) and put the good door base on the car.



I'll hopefully get the window frame and glass reinstalled tomorrow. I'm slightly staggered by the whole concept of actually having two functional doors on the thing.

Ran out of patience with having to pump the front tyre up every single time I went to move the car, so finally dug out a spare wheel that actually holds air.



Still needs a full set of tyres before it goes near the road anyway but at least it won't go down in half an hour now! It turns out that it's totally impossible to steer a three wheeler with a flat front tyre...
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Car's looking good.

Yesterday they finally decided, we're getting 8-10 inches of snow. They are wrong, it's already over a foot. Shows no signs of stopping.
It is above the 2 small dogs stomach, they're not happy. The big boys LOVE it.
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Old Dec 9 2018, 04:58 PM   #4709
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When I was a kid my mom was given a Pekinese pup that was the runt of the litter and bullied by the rest. The first time she saw snow, out the door she went on the fly, to disappear into the 10 or so inches that had fallen overnight. She loved it! Ran around until my mom made her come in; all you could see was her tail and part of her head when she jumped/ran. Crazy little thing was in love with the deep snow.
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Had hoped that I'd have finished the Invacar door Rebuild today and would have been able to get the latches adjusted etc...

Decided I'd "save myself five minutes" by leaving the car in the garage.

Yeah...Absolutely stupid idea. Ended up spending far more time fishing tools back out from under the car when I dropped them and clambering around the car to get to stuff. Next time I just back the car out the garage. Ended up wasting so much time that I ended up just getting the frame done and not getting the glass back in.

I really do need to do a quick run around the car and just collect all the bits and pieces that have accumulated there. There are screws, nuts, bolts, tools, brackets, bits of brake pipe and such all over the bloody place and it's driving me mad.

I think the plan for tomorrow if time permits will be to finish reassembling that door then do a bit of a garage tidy as well as the whole right hand side is turning into something of a game of Jenga and I'd rather sort it out before it buries the Invacar. Also being able to open the nearside door will mean I can optimise things a bit.

Had the opportunity to show it to a couple of friends who have been visiting from the US this evening, suffice to say they were both amused and fascinated by it.

Really funny how getting a few jobs done can improve your mojo with a project.

I did have a good moment of inspiration earlier today with regards to sorting the bodywork. One of the biggest problems I've got is that some areas have quite large expanses of glass fibre just missing. The slightly mangled wheel arch and some general scratches and cracks are easy enough to sort. What I need for the larger areas though is - in the absence of an actual mould - is something to give some structure while I rebuild the areas in question. I'd experimented with some ally mesh, cardboard and chicken wire, but found they just didn't have enough strength and it was hard to get the precision I needed.

What I do have still sitting around from some earlier attempts at costume making are some nice chunks of high density closed cell foam. My plan is to sculpt a base to put behind the panel in question which I can then build the glass fibre over. Once there's a pretty thin shell there it's easy enough to actually build up layers over that for strength. Obviously the foam can just be removed once things are done.

Reckon it's got a better shot at working for the rebuilding of the "bumpers" than my previous approach.
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Do you have to pass a Warrant of Fitness on that car before you are allowed to drive it?
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Had hoped that I'd have finished the Invacar door Rebuild today and would have been able to get the latches adjusted etc...

Decided I'd "save myself five minutes" by leaving the car in the garage.

Yeah...Absolutely stupid idea. Ended up spending far more time fishing tools back out from under the car when I dropped them and clambering around the car to get to stuff. Next time I just back the car out the garage. Ended up wasting so much time that I ended up just getting the frame done and not getting the glass back in.

I really do need to do a quick run around the car and just collect all the bits and pieces that have accumulated there. There are screws, nuts, bolts, tools, brackets, bits of brake pipe and such all over the bloody place and it's driving me mad.

I think the plan for tomorrow if time permits will be to finish reassembling that door then do a bit of a garage tidy as well as the whole right hand side is turning into something of a game of Jenga and I'd rather sort it out before it buries the Invacar. Also being able to open the nearside door will mean I can optimise things a bit.

Had the opportunity to show it to a couple of friends who have been visiting from the US this evening, suffice to say they were both amused and fascinated by it.

Really funny how getting a few jobs done can improve your mojo with a project.

I did have a good moment of inspiration earlier today with regards to sorting the bodywork. One of the biggest problems I've got is that some areas have quite large expanses of glass fibre just missing. The slightly mangled wheel arch and some general scratches and cracks are easy enough to sort. What I need for the larger areas though is - in the absence of an actual mould - is something to give some structure while I rebuild the areas in question. I'd experimented with some ally mesh, cardboard and chicken wire, but found they just didn't have enough strength and it was hard to get the precision I needed.

What I do have still sitting around from some earlier attempts at costume making are some nice chunks of high density closed cell foam. My plan is to sculpt a base to put behind the panel in question which I can then build the glass fibre over. Once there's a pretty thin shell there it's easy enough to actually build up layers over that for strength. Obviously the foam can just be removed once things are done.

Reckon it's got a better shot at working for the rebuilding of the "bumpers" than my previous approach.
Fiberglass bumpers? Or is that just a cover over some sort of metal structure, like metal cars? (But I do remember reading about one car from the Soviet era whose body was made from compressed paper.)

Before production, to test the durability of the material, an entire 1953 Chevrolet convertible body was made from fiberglass. A factory executive in Florida "borrowed" the car one evening for a joyride, misse3d a sharp curve on a back road, and rolled the car. The doors still opened and closed like they should.
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Compressed material would have been Duroplast, a plastic resin material impregnated with fabric fibres. That was used quite extensively in the construction of the Trabant. Really durable stuff, the only real issue being that it's nigh on impossible to recycle and doesn't biodegrade.

There are no bumpers as such on this thing, they're purely shapes moulded into the body as it would look odd without them. Functionally the intention is that the body being plastic is able to shrug off the odd car park bump and scrape.

As far as roadworthiness is concerned it will need to pass the normal annual road safety test here, though being classed as a "motor tricycle" rather than a car means that the checklist is slightly smaller. Technically once it's on the road that's it. There's no ongoing test thereafter as there's an exception rule on that now for vehicles over 40 years old.

I do need to initially pass the test though as it's still marked on the registration document as "invalid vehicle" under vehicle type and "disabled" under taxation class. These details are easy to change (you just need to fill in a form with the corrected details), however you need to present a valid MOT pass certificate along with the form due to some peculiarity of the process.

I don't see it as a bad thing though, and it will be getting subjected to the test annually anyway as it's just good practice. The level of detail they check for the £35 my local garage charges presents really good value anyway I reckon...would cost me many times that to get someone out to do the same work on a car I was looking to buy.
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Taking short cuts usually don't work out in the end. Good luck with the car.

Off to clear a foot of snow off the Tahoe
The weather people said we got 12 inches. It seems like a lot than that.
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Oof, that's enough snow to be a pain.

Definitely not cutting corners with this thing. A few reasons:

1. They were illegal to drive here for several years. It's only in the last few years that it's been possible to change the registered vehicle type to motor tricycle and legally drive them. So I'm fully expecting to get pulled over in it by the police. So I want all the Is dotted and Ts crossed.

2. It only has single circuit brakes. Dead common up to the 60s or so, but was a setup largely abandoned after then. Means there's no safety net...if there's a failure of the braking hydraulic system it's likely to result in a TOTAL failure...so we don't take chances! Also why I'm very definitely taking the opportunity to get it professionally checked annually.

Not exactly a lot of crash protection either...though I *am* going to retrofit a modern inertia reel seatbelt rather than the original fixed one in the interests of safety.
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I have decided that I HATE snow.
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Some things, while being quite beautiful, can also be treacherous.I find that once I have stocked up enough food and bought enough books, I am quite patient to read, drink tea, sleep and just wait for that white crap to melt and go away for 8 months or so. Then, it's all good! ..............Until next Winter. My brother in law, whom is from Mississippi. says we here in Pennsylvania only have two seasons. And they are, Winter and Winter's coming. Come The end of January, I tend to Agree. Yea, not much of a fan of the white stuff either.
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The main reason I went out was because the Star Trek grpup Mom, sister & niece belong to sponsor 2 kids for Christmas. I usually end up taking then to social services. They were suppose to go on Monday, that didn't happen. We were told to deliver them Tues. Which is why I went out Tues. They decided to change it to the 17th.
Because I went out Tues. instead of giving it another day to melt, I slipped getting into the Tahoe, hubby fell on the ramp helping me bring stuff in, which I would waited to get if I had not had to go out. 2 twisted backs & we both twisted a knee. Not happy with social services.
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Winter is for the young, the kids fall and bounce back up and away they go, Me.....Thanks much but I will watch from the window while sipping my hot toddy and rereading A PERN novel. If I really, really need to go out, other than going to work, I throw out a bunch of icemelt to clear the walkway. I do not bounce any more.
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Some things, while being quite beautiful, can also be treacherous.I find that once I have stocked up enough food and bought enough books, I am quite patient to read, drink tea, sleep and just wait for that white crap to melt and go away for 8 months or so. Then, it's all good! ..............Until next Winter. My brother in law, whom is from Mississippi. says we here in Pennsylvania only have two seasons. And they are, Winter and Winter's coming. Come The end of January, I tend to Agree. Yea, not much of a fan of the white stuff either.
Actually, I would think Pennsylvania might have the same 4 seasons we have here in Missouri; Fall (Autumn), Winter, Spring, and Road Repair.

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The main reason I went out was because the Star Trek grpup Mom, sister & niece belong to sponsor 2 kids for Christmas. I usually end up taking then to social services. They were suppose to go on Monday, that didn't happen. We were told to deliver them Tues. Which is why I went out Tues. They decided to change it to the 17th.
Because I went out Tues. instead of giving it another day to melt, I slipped getting into the Tahoe, hubby fell on the ramp helping me bring stuff in, which I would waited to get if I had not had to go out. 2 twisted backs & we both twisted a knee. Not happy with social services.
If I may offer a suggestion, if this comes up again, call before venturing out only to find out they've rescheduled. Here we're lucky enough that most functions, governmental and otherwise, let the local radio stations know (to be announced on the air) about closings and reschedulings, especially due to weather. Everything from school closings and busses not running, or running late all the way down to the usual bingo night at the Lions Club cancelled or rescheduled.

For your wrenched back, go to a good chiropractor (one that doesn't insist on x-rays for every little thing). Some health insurances will actually pay for the chiropractor (with a copay) just like a regular doctor. Don't believe in chiropractic? Go to an orthopedist or orthopedic surgeon. That's basically a chiropractor that went all the way through medical school. They can adjust you in exactly the same way as a chiropractor and charge you a lot more for the job. But most importantly, don't put off going to someone for more than a day or two if you're in pain. If you threw your back out, the longer you wait to put things back where they belong, the longer it takes to get it to stay in place. I throw out my back, I take naproxen & go to the chiropractor ASAP. One $25 visit and I'm done till the next time I do something stupid.
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