photo questions - A Meeting of Minds

mawra · Oct 3 2008, 10:35 PM

I have a pic of Kibby in the Dragoncon parade that is blurry. Is there anyway to fix it so it is not blurry, if so can one of you do it.

The pic is here
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t...ne/kibbie1.jpg

***Hans*** · Oct 5 2008, 08:49 AM

Well Maw, there are trics that will add pixels and there the sharpening tool in photoshop but to be honest with you, I don't think those will work on the picture of Kibbie. There's also the fact that it is overexposed in the forefront (her left arm) and the inexplicable thing that happened to her right arm (I can't figure that out, it is not regular blur, but looks like something has been done to the pixels...)

mawra · Oct 5 2008, 10:03 PM

I am not sure what happened in the photo. It is one that I had not messed with at all except to put in on a cd at wal mart. There is a different photo that I can use.
Thanks Hans

Kath · Oct 6 2008, 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hans

and the inexplicable thing that happened to her right arm (I can't figure that out, it is not regular blur, but looks like something has been done to the pixels...)

Looks like it was only digitised with a limited number of colours at some step along the way...

***Hans*** · Oct 6 2008, 07:36 AM

Yes, it looks like that.

Can you send me the original, Maw?

Allen · Oct 7 2008, 06:42 AM

I was going to say it looks like the original was taken with a disposable film camera, and the actual shot of Kibby is a (possibly very) small section of the original, probably enlarged on the Wal Mart machine that Maw used to put it on disk.

I'm like Hans; I'd like to play with the original.

mawra · Oct 7 2008, 09:16 PM

What I have post is the orgainal. It went from the digital camera to the disc to the computer. It is the only copy I have. I haven't done anything to it.

Allen · Oct 7 2008, 11:17 PM

Maw, did you use the zoom on the camera to zoom in on her? Because I'm betting what we're looking at is digital zoom.

***Hans*** · Oct 8 2008, 02:52 AM

Could be it, Draco, although I would expect more pixelating than the effect I see now. Still, you could be right, it could be at least one of the factors

P'ter · Oct 8 2008, 12:51 PM

I think her left arm moved.

There also appears to be burn out around her left shoulder which makes it impossible to distinguish between the line of her left bicep and her left deltoid.

mawra · Oct 8 2008, 07:28 PM

I don't think the camera has a zoom.

mawra · Oct 8 2008, 07:29 PM

I probable did move.

***Hans*** · Oct 9 2008, 03:23 AM

There is definitely a blur because of moving ut that normally doesn't create a pixelating effect.

P'ter · Oct 9 2008, 08:36 AM

The pixilating looks like a low res camera (say a mobile).

Maw: the movement may have been Kibbie herself.

mawra · Oct 9 2008, 11:00 AM

Well I will have use the other pic I have then. I like this one better because it is a head shot. The other one will work.

Lady Maelin · Oct 11 2008, 12:40 AM

Maw...too bad the *MoM photo repair squad* here can't fix Kibby's photo, as its a very cute one of her

.
You should send a copy to Hans...he's very clever with photoshop, as we have all seen before...

StevenB · Nov 8 2008, 10:22 AM

It's a lovely pose of Kibbie, so a pity it came out blurred. Unless you need a picture of that particular parade my advice would be to take more pictures until you get another pose as good as that one.

The strange effects on the photograph might be the result of too much compression. When you take a picture on a digital camera it is turned into information - a description of the photograph is stored on the memory card. Photographs need a lot of information to describe them ("a picture is worth a thousand words" is actually an underestimate!). Most cameras compress the information so that more pictures can be stored on the memory card. The compression removes information. You don't notice a small amount of compression because the information removed is irrelevant, but too much compression starts to spoil the photograph and add weird effects. It's like removing sentences from a novel to make it fit onto fewer pages. At first you may not notice; but remove too many and you start spoiling the story. Unfortunately, photoshop can't add back information that has been removed - you can make a fair attempt; like trying to second guess what the missing sentences in a novel might have said.

Does your camera have a "quality" setting? Next time set the camera to its highest setting (it might be called "HIGH" or "FINE"). This will reduce the number of pictures you can fit onto your memory card, but it's worth it for the better quality pictures. I hope that helps.

mawra · Nov 8 2008, 06:54 PM

I will give it a try.

mawra · Nov 8 2008, 07:03 PM

Kibbie's 4-H group is going to be having photography classes starting in Jan. I might learn something as well.

Oct 3 2008, 10:35 PM	#1
mawra Dolphin Friend Craftmaster Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CONCORD VA Gender: F Fan of: PERN Now Reading: Dolphins of Pern and Queens ow	photo questions I have a pic of Kibby in the Dragoncon parade that is blurry. Is there anyway to fix it so it is not blurry, if so can one of you do it. The pic is here http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t...ne/kibbie1.jpg __________________ November is write a 50,000 (or more) word novel, so go write MEDDLE NOT IN THE AFFAIRS OF DRAGONS, FOR YOU ARE CRUNCHY AND GOOD WITH CHOCOLATE SO MANY BOOKS SO LITTLE TIME DRIVING SMART KEEPS YOU ALIVE

Oct 5 2008, 08:49 AM	#2
*Hans* Master Archivist Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Netherlands Gender: M Fan of: Pern!	Re: photo questions Well Maw, there are trics that will add pixels and there the sharpening tool in photoshop but to be honest with you, I don't think those will work on the picture of Kibbie. There's also the fact that it is overexposed in the forefront (her left arm) and the inexplicable thing that happened to her right arm (I can't figure that out, it is not regular blur, but looks like something has been done to the pixels...) __________________ Hans, also known as Elrhan, Master Archivist Visit The Pern Museum & Archives for all your Pern and Anne McCaffrey News and Resources! The Pern Museum & Archives is the home of the Pern Encyclopedia and the Pern Bloodlines.

Oct 5 2008, 10:03 PM	#3
mawra Dolphin Friend Craftmaster Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CONCORD VA Gender: F Fan of: PERN Now Reading: Dolphins of Pern and Queens ow	Re: photo questions I am not sure what happened in the photo. It is one that I had not messed with at all except to put in on a cd at wal mart. There is a different photo that I can use. Thanks Hans __________________ November is write a 50,000 (or more) word novel, so go write MEDDLE NOT IN THE AFFAIRS OF DRAGONS, FOR YOU ARE CRUNCHY AND GOOD WITH CHOCOLATE SO MANY BOOKS SO LITTLE TIME DRIVING SMART KEEPS YOU ALIVE

Oct 6 2008, 07:36 AM	#5
*Hans* Master Archivist Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Netherlands Gender: M Fan of: Pern!	Re: photo questions Yes, it looks like that. Can you send me the original, Maw? __________________ Hans, also known as Elrhan, Master Archivist Visit The Pern Museum & Archives for all your Pern and Anne McCaffrey News and Resources! The Pern Museum & Archives is the home of the Pern Encyclopedia and the Pern Bloodlines.

Oct 7 2008, 06:42 AM	#6
Allen Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Last house on the left, across from the cemetery Gender: M Fan of: The Pern Series Now Reading: Robin Hobb's Shaman's Crossing	Re: photo questions I was going to say it looks like the original was taken with a disposable film camera, and the actual shot of Kibby is a (possibly very) small section of the original, probably enlarged on the Wal Mart machine that Maw used to put it on disk. I'm like Hans; I'd like to play with the original. __________________ *All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.*

Oct 7 2008, 09:16 PM	#7
mawra Dolphin Friend Craftmaster Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CONCORD VA Gender: F Fan of: PERN Now Reading: Dolphins of Pern and Queens ow	Re: photo questions What I have post is the orgainal. It went from the digital camera to the disc to the computer. It is the only copy I have. I haven't done anything to it. __________________ November is write a 50,000 (or more) word novel, so go write MEDDLE NOT IN THE AFFAIRS OF DRAGONS, FOR YOU ARE CRUNCHY AND GOOD WITH CHOCOLATE SO MANY BOOKS SO LITTLE TIME DRIVING SMART KEEPS YOU ALIVE

Oct 7 2008, 11:17 PM	#8
Allen Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Last house on the left, across from the cemetery Gender: M Fan of: The Pern Series Now Reading: Robin Hobb's Shaman's Crossing	Re: photo questions Maw, did you use the zoom on the camera to zoom in on her? Because I'm betting what we're looking at is digital zoom. __________________ *All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.*

Oct 8 2008, 02:52 AM	#9
*Hans* Master Archivist Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Netherlands Gender: M Fan of: Pern!	Re: photo questions Could be it, Draco, although I would expect more pixelating than the effect I see now. Still, you could be right, it could be at least one of the factors __________________ Hans, also known as Elrhan, Master Archivist Visit The Pern Museum & Archives for all your Pern and Anne McCaffrey News and Resources! The Pern Museum & Archives is the home of the Pern Encyclopedia and the Pern Bloodlines.

Oct 8 2008, 12:51 PM	#10
P'ter Crafter Craftmaster Join Date: May 2006 Location: Wolverhampton Gender: M Fan of: Favorite? Now Reading: avidly	Re: photo questions I think her left arm moved. There also appears to be burn out around her left shoulder which makes it impossible to distinguish between the line of her left bicep and her left deltoid. __________________ "Truth is stranger than fiction: fiction has to make sense." Leo Rosten. "When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." C. S. Lewis "I find television very educational. Whenever somebody switches it on I go in the other room and read a book." (attributed to Groucho Marx) The Pedants are revolting! (against bad grammar)

Oct 8 2008, 07:28 PM	#11
mawra Dolphin Friend Craftmaster Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CONCORD VA Gender: F Fan of: PERN Now Reading: Dolphins of Pern and Queens ow	Re: photo questions I don't think the camera has a zoom. __________________ November is write a 50,000 (or more) word novel, so go write MEDDLE NOT IN THE AFFAIRS OF DRAGONS, FOR YOU ARE CRUNCHY AND GOOD WITH CHOCOLATE SO MANY BOOKS SO LITTLE TIME DRIVING SMART KEEPS YOU ALIVE

Oct 8 2008, 07:29 PM	#12
mawra Dolphin Friend Craftmaster Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CONCORD VA Gender: F Fan of: PERN Now Reading: Dolphins of Pern and Queens ow	Re: photo questions I probable did move. __________________ November is write a 50,000 (or more) word novel, so go write MEDDLE NOT IN THE AFFAIRS OF DRAGONS, FOR YOU ARE CRUNCHY AND GOOD WITH CHOCOLATE SO MANY BOOKS SO LITTLE TIME DRIVING SMART KEEPS YOU ALIVE

Oct 9 2008, 03:23 AM	#13
*Hans* Master Archivist Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Netherlands Gender: M Fan of: Pern!	Re: photo questions There is definitely a blur because of moving ut that normally doesn't create a pixelating effect. __________________ Hans, also known as Elrhan, Master Archivist Visit The Pern Museum & Archives for all your Pern and Anne McCaffrey News and Resources! The Pern Museum & Archives is the home of the Pern Encyclopedia and the Pern Bloodlines.

Oct 9 2008, 08:36 AM	#14
P'ter Crafter Craftmaster Join Date: May 2006 Location: Wolverhampton Gender: M Fan of: Favorite? Now Reading: avidly	Re: photo questions The pixilating looks like a low res camera (say a mobile). Maw: the movement may have been Kibbie herself. __________________ "Truth is stranger than fiction: fiction has to make sense." Leo Rosten. "When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." C. S. Lewis "I find television very educational. Whenever somebody switches it on I go in the other room and read a book." (attributed to Groucho Marx) The Pedants are revolting! (against bad grammar)

Oct 9 2008, 11:00 AM	#15
mawra Dolphin Friend Craftmaster Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CONCORD VA Gender: F Fan of: PERN Now Reading: Dolphins of Pern and Queens ow	Re: photo questions Well I will have use the other pic I have then. I like this one better because it is a head shot. The other one will work. __________________ November is write a 50,000 (or more) word novel, so go write MEDDLE NOT IN THE AFFAIRS OF DRAGONS, FOR YOU ARE CRUNCHY AND GOOD WITH CHOCOLATE SO MANY BOOKS SO LITTLE TIME DRIVING SMART KEEPS YOU ALIVE

Oct 11 2008, 12:40 AM	#16
Lady Maelin Master Artist Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: California Gender: F Fan of: Pern,The Ship Who Sang Now Reading: Anne's Pern EVERYTHING !	Re: photo questions Maw...too bad the MoM photo repair squad here can't fix Kibby's photo, as its a very cute one of her. You should send a copy to Hans...he's very clever with photoshop, as we have all seen before... __________________ "To the Horsehead Nebula and back we shall make beautiful music"..."Together!" The stories of childhood leave an indelible impression,and their author always has a niche in the temple of memory from which the image is never cut out to be thrown on the rubbish heap of things that are outgrown and outlived........Howard Pyle

Nov 8 2008, 10:22 AM	#17
StevenB Bitsmith/Starsmith, Master Sneak Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scotland Gender: M Fan of: Skies of Pern: what else? Now Reading: My computer screen	Re: photo questions It's a lovely pose of Kibbie, so a pity it came out blurred. Unless you need a picture of that particular parade my advice would be to take more pictures until you get another pose as good as that one. The strange effects on the photograph might be the result of too much compression. When you take a picture on a digital camera it is turned into information - a description of the photograph is stored on the memory card. Photographs need a lot of information to describe them ("a picture is worth a thousand words" is actually an underestimate!). Most cameras compress the information so that more pictures can be stored on the memory card. The compression removes information. You don't notice a small amount of compression because the information removed is irrelevant, but too much compression starts to spoil the photograph and add weird effects. It's like removing sentences from a novel to make it fit onto fewer pages. At first you may not notice; but remove too many and you start spoiling the story. Unfortunately, photoshop can't add back information that has been removed - you can make a fair attempt; like trying to second guess what the missing sentences in a novel might have said. Does your camera have a "quality" setting? Next time set the camera to its highest setting (it might be called "HIGH" or "FINE"). This will reduce the number of pictures you can fit onto your memory card, but it's worth it for the better quality pictures. I hope that helps. __________________ Steven

Nov 8 2008, 06:54 PM	#18
mawra Dolphin Friend Craftmaster Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CONCORD VA Gender: F Fan of: PERN Now Reading: Dolphins of Pern and Queens ow	Re: photo questions I will give it a try. __________________ November is write a 50,000 (or more) word novel, so go write MEDDLE NOT IN THE AFFAIRS OF DRAGONS, FOR YOU ARE CRUNCHY AND GOOD WITH CHOCOLATE SO MANY BOOKS SO LITTLE TIME DRIVING SMART KEEPS YOU ALIVE

Nov 8 2008, 07:03 PM	#19
mawra Dolphin Friend Craftmaster Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CONCORD VA Gender: F Fan of: PERN Now Reading: Dolphins of Pern and Queens ow	Re: photo questions Kibbie's 4-H group is going to be having photography classes starting in Jan. I might learn something as well. __________________ November is write a 50,000 (or more) word novel, so go write MEDDLE NOT IN THE AFFAIRS OF DRAGONS, FOR YOU ARE CRUNCHY AND GOOD WITH CHOCOLATE SO MANY BOOKS SO LITTLE TIME DRIVING SMART KEEPS YOU ALIVE

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