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Old Oct 9 2009, 11:42 PM   #1
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Bats is counting the days till the release of New Moon ,can't wait to see
Jacob ,,I picked him out from the start,,had a peek at the Wolfpack
very interisting indeed the Family of Vampires in Italy done, as one
would think they look ,except ,for Aro ,,been the Head of the Family
I sort of thought of him looking or standing ,out more ,from the rest
Long White Hair,, tight face Bowie ,would have done well in that part
or even the Guy in Harry Potter he had the right look as well the
White hair I don't think Fans will be Let-Down.
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Old Oct 29 2009, 07:39 AM   #2
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I'm looking forward to the movie too, bats. Apparently Taylor Lautner, who plays Jacob Black, has put on 30 pounds of muscle to play the new improved werewolf Jacob. I can't wait!
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Lanen you will see it before me ,if you live in America I watch a trailer
and Jacob looks so great had too bite my Knuckle because SO was sitting
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bats, hon, I'm going along in the morning so my DH has no chance of being there with me! He has no interest in the Twilight books at all, let alone the movies, so it's no hardship for him. And I'm in the UK. New Moon is scheduled for a November 20th release. Heh. Can't wait!
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I’m looking forward to the movie as well. Read all the books and am hopping the 5th will be released, but, as I heard, it leaked on the Internet, so she won’t be publishing it.
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In case you're not aware of it, Stephenie talks about the incident on her website and has posted her own rough draft on her site. She asks that anyone who wants to read it, to please read her posting as it is the latest and, so far, the last.
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Old Nov 13 2009, 03:56 PM   #7
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I don’t know – did I read it somewhere, or has anyone told me, but I understand that, because too much of the book has gone on the Internet (not just the parts she released) she won’t be publishing the book.
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When I said latest and last, I was referring to the rough draft she has posted. She says in her commentary about the incident that she is not ruling out ever getting back to it but, currently, she's not interested in completing it.
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Old Nov 14 2009, 02:24 PM   #9
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Yeah, bob12 - I read that, and read the draft. It's a fine book - ok, with mistakes and obviously in need of editing, as she says - but really very good and a lovely insight into her most complex character for those of us who enjoy the series. I really can understand how she feels, but I hope that time mellows her anger and allows her to get back to what is quite a fascinating book. Heck, if Orson Scott Card can do it with the Ender series, surely Stephenie deserves well-merited praise for this parallel book.
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It would be a terrible shame to not read the complete book. The Vampire books were very good for me (it was something new), and I would like to read the first story from Edward’s point of view. A read the things she posted, and think it’s good.
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Friday is getting closer - whee! It's quite silly, how I'm looking forward to this movie. There again, I look forward to the Harry Potter movies too. How sad is that... However, I AM going to tear myself away from my writing to go see New Moon. I'm sure it'll do me good.
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As for the HP movies, I go to see them in the cinema, but, from the third movie, all the others weren’t that good to me. I read the books, and there are too many things they cut off. In the 4th movie, we never see the little Elf (Dinky, or what’s her name), and many more of the characters. In the last movie that was made, if the movie is, say, 2 hours long, in the first 1 hour and 45 minutes nothing happens, and than in the last 15 minutes, everything gets explained. And they don’t even mention the Horcruxes. Harry founds one at the end of the movie, and he doesn’t even name it! Ok, I know what there are, by my friend that was watching the movie in the cinema with me, and didn’t read the story before watching the movie, was like:’’Wha’? What the hell is that? Is that important?’’
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Well Bats is all ready turned all my Bowie Posters ,pictures towards the Wall
so I won't feel guitly ,,they are showning previews already on the TV
you should hear SO [snarling orchid ]carry-on about his ideas about the film
knows nothing about it, same as computers etc,won't even try understand
them
So my plan is to go on my own or a friend ,would have loved to go to the
Midnight show,but the roads too many trucks,go to the local SHED but parking
my beloved Hy-Brid car the Jolly Natives roam around at night ,love
smashing glass.,Police have to come out from Kempsey for crime reports
So I'll go in the afternoon,so I'll be a good girl home in time to get SO's Dinner
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LOL bats - I'm going in the afternoon as well, can't get out of bed early enough for the 9:30 am showing!! Am hoping to go sometime that the theatre won't be full of screaming teenage girls. I doubt that this will be possible.

Heck, I didn't scream for the Beatles, I'm darn sure not going to scream for Rob Pattinson. OK, he's kinda cute at some angles - as well as being so very young - but one feels that he'd do better to worry less about his hair and more about his acting skills. Poor kid - he has very little chance of improving his craft while being lionized by the press and the nutters out there. Maybe once the last movie is out he'll have a chance to get to work. In the meantime, the few interviews I've seen seem to indicate that he is overwhelmed by all the (mad) attention. Not surprising. How hard must it be to deal with such unexpected, almost instant fame? Hmmm... I think I'm grateful that it's not something I'm likely to have to learn! Hope he doesn't let it go to his head. Any more than it already has.
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Lanen when Jacob comes on I'll won't be screaming
I'll be biting
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Well I went to see a picky last Saturday (1st time since the most recent HP): "Morris: a life with bells on". It was bloody funny. Sort of Strictly Ballroom meets Hot Fuzz. Lanen you'd totally lurv the so-oo bee-ee-utiful boys of the Orange County Morris (CA)!!

Unfortunately it's an independent production so it's only on a small theaters. As far as I can tell its only showing in Scotland is at the Robbie Burns Centre in Dumfries on the 28th!
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P'ter - U've heard of that movie and - well, Dumfries is a LOOOONG way from here, so will have to wait until it makes it to DVD. I'll remember it though, thanks!

Ah, bats, you're a member of Team Jacob, then? Taylor Lautner is certainly a good-looking young man, but - for all his cuteness, he's a puppy. A very nice looking puppy, but a puppy nevertheless. I prefer grown-ups.

There again, nothing wrong with enjoying looking at puppies!
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I don’t know… I prefer Edward over Jacob myself. Not saying that Jacob isn’t nice and all that, but still…
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I think it's pretty even actually. I mean, Jacob can be a real jerk (and is specifically painted as such), Edward is borderline psychotic in his obsessive protection, and they are both seriously manipulative. In real life either one would be a bit dodgy, even without the whole werewolf/vampire thing - but that's the joy of escapist romance, isn't it?

I can't sign on wholly to Team Jacob or Team Edward, but I'm looking forward to the movie!
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I think it's pretty even actually. I mean, Jacob can be a real jerk (and is specifically painted as such), Edward is borderline psychotic in his obsessive protection, and they are both seriously manipulative. In real life either one would be a bit dodgy, even without the whole werewolf/vampire thing - but that's the joy of escapist romance, isn't it?

I can't sign on wholly to Team Jacob or Team Edward, but I'm looking forward to the movie!
I agree to all, and am also waiting for the movie.
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OK, gang, I've seen New Moon!

I would like to rescind anything belittling I might have typed about Robert Pattinson. He has done a fine job in this movie, a very good job indeed. I'm impressed with the advance in his acting, or perhaps it's all in the director for him? In any case, he was much better, underplayed things much more effectively, well done that lad.

Taylor Lautner is in the same league, I suspect, but Jacob is a much more obviously emotional character. Good job, he handled the physical stuff (all of it that wasn't CGI) very nicely and managed as much emotional subtlety as his character is capable of - given Jacob, not nearly enough for this young actor, but he did all he could.

Kristen Stewart has also improved, though not as obviously - perhaps because she was better in the first film and didn't have so far to go. Also, Bella, let's face it, is a bit of a fruitcake. Stewart handles the emotional rollercoaster well.

Basically - I think it's a better movie than the first one, I enjoyed the heck out of it (even though the Vatican says it's 'a moral vacuum with a deviant message' - sheesh, it's a fantasy romance, gang, get a grip!) and I expect other Twilight fans to enjoy it very much. I admit it's a low taste, but hey, everybody needs a vice!
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You need to be an Admiral. Then you can have a Vice and a Rear as well!
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I would like to rescind anything belittling I might have typed about Robert Pattinson. He has done a fine job in this movie, a very good job indeed. I'm impressed with the advance in his acting, or perhaps it's all in the director for him? In any case, he was much better, underplayed things much more effectively, well done that lad.

Taylor Lautner is in the same league, I suspect, but Jacob is a much more obviously emotional character. Good job, he handled the physical stuff (all of it that wasn't CGI) very nicely and managed as much emotional subtlety as his character is capable of - given Jacob, not nearly enough for this young actor, but he did all he could.

Kristen Stewart has also improved, though not as obviously - perhaps because she was better in the first film and didn't have so far to go. Also, Bella, let's face it, is a bit of a fruitcake. Stewart handles the emotional rollercoaster well.

Basically - I think it's a better movie than the first one, I enjoyed the heck out of it (even though the Vatican says it's 'a moral vacuum with a deviant message' - sheesh, it's a fantasy romance, gang, get a grip!) and I expect other Twilight fans to enjoy it very much. I admit it's a low taste, but hey, everybody needs a vice!
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As for the actors, I did hear that they changed the director and that will improve the movie. I, myself, didn’t like the way Stewart acted as Bella, but maybe this time it will be better.
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Thanks Lanen
The critics here are bad mouthing it but then they did the same with
Twilght ,,,glad to read you WERE impressed with Jacob there is
one Guy you have to feel sorry for and that's Bella's Dad ,SHEESH !!
he puts up with a lot ..
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way with Jesus Christ Super Star ,De-Vinc Code ,, and we are in the 2000 area now
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The critics here are bad mouthing it but then they did the same with
Twilght ,,,glad to read you WERE impressed with Jacob there is
one Guy you have to feel sorry for and that's Bella's Dad ,SHEESH !!
he puts up with a lot ..
By the way hasn't the Church been told ,,'IT"S NOT REAL ''they went on the
way with Jesus Christ Super Star ,De-Vinc Code ,, and we are in the 2000 area now
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And about The De Vinci code… that book (and the movie, of course) may or may not be true – we don’t know, and probably will never found out, but, let’s be honest: the man wrote a good book, a good adventure/fantasy story. You choose will you believe it or not.
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Yeah he wrote a good story, but he wrote it badly.
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Saying that he wrote it badly is like saying the guy who built the Leaning Tower of Pisa made a slight miscalculation!

What bugs me most is that Brown stole the idea AND ALL THE DETAILS from the guys who wrote Holy Blood, Holy Grail some 20 years before. The plagiarism lawsuit they held was lost on a technicality. As an author, that really bothers me.
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I agree. I didn't mention the derivation/plagarism angle as discussion of that can get even heavier than discussing his lack of technical expertise.
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What bugs me most is that Brown stole the idea AND ALL THE DETAILS from the guys who wrote Holy Blood, Holy Grail some 20 years before. The plagiarism lawsuit they held was lost on a technicality. As an author, that really bothers me.
Ok, I agree, I know he stole the idea, but my point is that people read it once, or a couple of time, and like it (or don’t – depends on a point of view), but I don’t think anyone takes it that seriously as the church does. It’s one of doe’s ideas that you read, think about it, but never can prove or disprove it. Like I said before, it up to you to decide whether you’ll believe it or not.
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Good point, P'ter. Sorry. I'll just put that one down and walk away slowly...
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Lanen: don't be like that Dear. Though that particular discussion might be better off line or we'll melt down some poor modem or two.

My peeve at present is that I can not find an agent. They ALL only want established authors.
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I never found an agent either, not until AFTER I had sold the current 3 books. sigh.
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Of course you found an agent: you're established.
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I am also looking forward to the movie. I read all books but I would also like to read Midnight Sun to found out why he chose her and to understand him better.. I have nothing against Kristin Stewart but she's better in New moon. Edward or Jacob. I am not sure. We all dream about perfect guys.Edward is perfect, he is gentle he falls in love with Bella who is outsider and Jacob is the best friend . I think that's the reason why this book is so popular, it's also new idea. I think New moon is better, Jacob is in it more.
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They all stole ideas from each others, no metters is it stephanie or den braun but I don't really care, and I don' blame them. The ideas are good and I would probably read them all.
I agree with Talisath you decide will you belive it or not. I belive in God, but I belive in everything. L.J. Smith wrote the vamire diaries before Stephanie. It's all marketing. Maybe there is in library some book which is better then da vinci but we never heard of it.
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Maybe there is in library some book which is better then da vinci but we never heard of it.
I could name any of the countless books that are better than the Da Vinci code, and many that are probably worse. That's not an issue; what is is whether we learn between something that we like, and something that is good, irrespective of whether we like it or not.

I don't have a problem with people enjoying Stephanie Meyer's work, but to then claim any value beyond its cynical commercialism gets me reacting. It may be popular, that is, but it is not good, and that's just the way it is.
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ghyle - ok, I twitch when anybody says anything semi-decent about d. Brown, so I understand what you're saying about Meyer. And ok, they're romantic clap-trap with vampire/werewolf trappings rather than Montagues v. Capulets. The point is, for wildly romantic folks (men and women both) they are - cringe - irresistible. I hate to admit it, but they wouldn't be so wildly popular unless there were something to them. D. Brown has his audience in the conspiracy theorists (don't get me started), Meyer has hers in teenaged angst-ridden romantics. It's a guilty pleasure - VERY guilty - but what the heck, if people enjoy something - even *shudder* Dan Brown - it's a big world and just let 'em get on with it.

I've recently turned my hairdresser back into a reader by introducing her to the Twilight books, and have given her other gothic Romantic fare: Dumas (Count of Monte Cristo), Leroux (Phantom of the Opera), C. Bronte (Jane Eyre) and J. Austen (Pride and Prejudice), along with my own first book (not very gothic, but romantic for sure). She had stopped reading for ten years. If Meyer, like Rowling, can get folk reading again, who cares if it's not great literature? People need escapist fluff at the moment, and Meyer and Brown deliver, to their various audiences.

I'm all for freedom of reading, as long as folk do actually move on to the endless list of terrific books out there. Yes, literary criticism has its place, and yes, I think Brown writes like a high-school freshman (if that well) and is a plagiarising hack - but what the heck. Reading anything is better than reading nothing, in that it encourages the activation of the imagination rather than the passive receptivity of watching a movie. Shoot, pulp SF in the 50s was rubbish too, but it was a springboard for an awful lot of later good writing, including that of our Patroness, Mistress McCaffrey.
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