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Old Nov 2 2008, 02:34 PM   #1
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Regarding the shape of the ships, I was wondering how you see the shape of the brain ships in your minds eye? Are all brain ships the same shape?

Having read the Ship series now I realized that I have been holding a certain shape in my mind when reading and suddenly I am reading about another shape and being a bit annoyed with myself for having fixed on one form, but which shape/form do you see/imagine????
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"The name rowan is believed to derive from the Norse runa - "a charm". It was often planted outside houses to ward off witches. On May Day a spray of rowan leaves was hung over doors to repel evil, and wells dressed with rowan to keep witches away. The rowan, or mountain ash, is found commonly in Scotland, sometimes clinging to a rock face."
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Old Nov 2 2008, 09:53 PM   #2
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I don't think the ships are all the same shape. For one thing, they are different classes and put to different uses.
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Old Nov 3 2008, 12:58 AM   #3
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No, they aren't all the same shape, but what their exact shape is, is a bit difficult to determine. Some, such as Tia, would be able to glide onto a planet with an atmosphere like the shuttle does (saves a hellacious amount of fuel), aided by some sort of anti-grav system, which we know Helva had. But they would lift off on their main thrusters, and land with them on planets lacking an atmosphere. However, the internal arrangements of the ship, particularly the cabin, are a bit harder to work out, and would depend on whether the ships are designed for continuous thrust, where "down" would be towards the tail, or if they mostly coast and have artificial gravity in place most of the time. Helva certainly had an artificial gravity system and could adjust internal gravity when she transported Solar Prane and his colleagues.
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Also who they work for, class from which they graduated, Paid Off, Not Paid Off etc.

And Refits, and Upgrades too I would think too.
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Think it depends on the "Brain" and what his/her role is in Central. Look at Simeon, he's a city. Tia v's Helva as another example. Tia would probably be more of a jet fighter type of spaceship where-as Helva would look like a sleeker version of the current space shuttles that NASA uses. Upgrades, refits etc would all come into it as well as new ideas/progress in research all come into play.
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Old Nov 3 2008, 12:50 PM   #6
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Well, Simeon the City is well described as to shape and form, but can it actually be determined what exact shape each of the brain ships have??

I have not been paying attention to shape during my reading or I would have written down references to shape for each brain. Only Carialle is described as a cone form , but the others could be saucers, cones, cruisership (real ship form) and bread shape and....

Does any of you have actual quotes as to ship shape?

I know curiousity killed the cat
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Old Nov 11 2008, 01:41 AM   #7
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In several stories they describe the ships landing on their tails, also having fins. that would say to me that they probably resembled the missile/model rocket shape. Tia did get landing gear though I think, it was described when she did her only real piece of offensive flying in The ship who searched. I always imagined the ships as having the three or four fins, symmetrical around the long axis, conical front, engines at rear.
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Old Nov 11 2008, 02:17 AM   #8
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I would agree with Ghost, I have always seen them as having
an old fashioned rocketship shape...much like the drawing on
this....the Hildebrant cover for the Ship WHo Sang

The Hildebrant cover art for *The SHip Who Sang*. I see most of
them with this general shape...with or without fins...or other
types of attachments.

I will also agree with Granath, that not all the ships have the
same shape...as they are all from different generations and
like she says...do different types of work.

This is my most favorite cover art of any and all of Anne's books.
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Old Nov 11 2008, 02:46 PM   #9
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Lady Maelin, it certainly is a very beautiful cover!!!

Cone with fins, yes ok then, but I still have problems seeing how it is practical to let down a ramp and get servos running in and out storing crates with livestock or humans in the storage rooms. It would make more sense if the storage and entry was closer to ground than a cone with fins would allow.
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"The name rowan is believed to derive from the Norse runa - "a charm". It was often planted outside houses to ward off witches. On May Day a spray of rowan leaves was hung over doors to repel evil, and wells dressed with rowan to keep witches away. The rowan, or mountain ash, is found commonly in Scotland, sometimes clinging to a rock face."
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My problem with that cover is: what on earth is happening to the dame's bust?

MY favorite cover is this one:- ...



... which appears to be based on the Russian manned satellite launcher
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Old Nov 11 2008, 04:46 PM   #11
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I like that cover too
It's the best of the UK covers for it I think. Though I have a feeling that the Rapp and Whiting edition had a good cover too!
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I like both of those. My own tattered copy has the one Lady Maelin posted. Trust a man to see it the way you did, P'ter!
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I always picture that rocket-like shape - especially considering in The Ship Who Won, the "wizards" call the ship a "silver tower."
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Sandi: I was just admiring the way Hildebrant keeps her decent by covering her up with random volcanos.

I also see a skull in this cover like this ...



... and had 'conversation' with Lady M about it.
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I remember. I think I remember that I could see it then, but now when I look at it it seems different. Of course, the cover of my book looks different from the image she posted, mostly because of all the words. The colors look different as well but then my book is old and very worn.
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Old Nov 17 2008, 12:18 AM   #16
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I had a feeling that Peter would bring up the *Ghostly Goblin* again... on the Hildebrant cover.... I love rocketships...in almost any guise. I also love the U.K. cover and one of the Australian ones too...Oh well I do have to admit I love em all...but the Hildebrant is my very favorite...its the way I've always seen Helva in my minds eye.

Nina...I think the servo's would possibly come in and out of a lift...like Anne mentions in the books. That lift, I have always imagined coming out of the bottom side, lowering straight to the ground like and open ended elevator. It would also make loading and unloading items extremely easy.
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I liked "The Ship Who Searched" the best.
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I guess it is kinda inconsistent, especially with Tia, since Alex ran up steps in his interview with her. Tia did tend to be an all purpose ship, grav sled, low level entry for it and the servos, cargo space and the like. Those descriptions would imply to me at least that the passenger area was above the cargo. probably cargo surrounded a central column as well, but that column was engines, fuel etc... My image of the lift has been a trench going up the side of the ship, but enclosed at its top seat. make it so it can be pressurized, with smallest area for possible seal failure. Wasn't there an issue with putting a gurney in/on the lift in Killashandra? Aside from Killa deciding she walked off a ship to get on the planet, she'd walk onto a ship to get back off.
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I've just got the Ballantine PB and I've a question:

.......... why the heck is 'Helva' appearing out of the rockets back hole?
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I would agree with Ghost, I have always seen them as having
an old fashioned rocketship shape...much like the drawing on
this....the Hildebrant cover for the Ship WHo Sang

The Hildebrant cover art for *The SHip Who Sang*. I see most of
them with this general shape...with or without fins...or other
types of attachments.

I will also agree with Granath, that not all the ships have the
same shape...as they are all from different generations and
like she says...do different types of work.

This is my most favorite cover art of any and all of Anne's books.
I favor the Hildebrant cover just for the sake of giving ye olde rocket ships a nod for no reason other than fun. And Hildebrant made Helva pretty sexy--and the portrait behind her's not bad either.
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I never noticed the volcano breasts before...

Much as I love this picture, and the text supports the shape (referred to as a "silver tower" in TSWW) I have a hard time seeing how it would work. The interior would have to be a stack of rooms, and it always feels more like it's one level with a hallway in the books.
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In 'level' flight there's no problem the rooms can line up as one level.

When parked on a planet then they'd be stacked, unless the ship has internal artificial gravity.
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I never noticed the volcano breasts before...

Much as I love this picture, and the text supports the shape (referred to as a "silver tower" in TSWW) I have a hard time seeing how it would work. The interior would have to be a stack of rooms, and it always feels more like it's one level with a hallway in the books.
I'm afraid from the perspective, the lass would have to be deformed for her breasts to be positioned where the volcanoes are, unless she's carrying her right breast under her arm and has the left situated at the bottom of her sternum. The only other explanation would be that they're so large they stand at least eight inches out from her chest. Neither image is at all appealing.

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As for the ship's structure, I was always of the impression that it was a stack of decks and holds.

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Out of curiosity, does anyone know who the model was for the Hildebrant painting? I've a feeling I ought to know the face.
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Sandi: I was just admiring the way Hildebrant keeps her decent by covering her up with random volcanos.

I also see a skull in this cover like this ...



... and had 'conversation' with Lady M about it.
I think I see what you mean if the skull is pitched back almost like you were viewing a reclining skeleton.

Eye sockets flanking the portrait to either side, nasal ridge under the sternum of the portrait, rocket ship landing in the gaping maw, the pinnacle to the left being a tusk?
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I've no idea who she was/is? Judging by the hairdo somebody out of Dynasty.
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The '70s girl on pinball machines? </ obscure MST3K reference.>
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