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Old Feb 25 2009, 06:23 PM   #41
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Anareth...I have to agree with you about Hugh...and Kate Bekinsale...but Jason Behr, he looks pretty good so far. He seems to have all the right parts, in the right place, and the right time...especially for the movie.

Lily...Ioan Gruffudd, and he is lovely looking and acting...I thought for a time that he would make a good F'nor...but the looks just not quite right. Flessan...maybe. I do like Orlando Bloom though he might just make a really good F'nor. Did you see him in Kingdom of Heaven...he wasn't to pretty in that one...and definitely not Elfen. He didn't even look like the same person.

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Old Feb 25 2009, 07:02 PM   #42
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He was great in King Arthur and also Children of Men. I first saw him in King Arthur and loved him! Loved all the guys in that movie tho, it's a good one to watch. Children of Men was kind of odd but still a good movie. I want to see him in The International, I hear it's good too. You can also search him on Google Image Search for more pics.

My, he's a bit of a looker, ain't he? What pretty eyes he's got, and dark hair. And a nice smile.

Now I'm wondering where I was when King Arthur came out. I don't think I've seen it (yet-) but will have to rent it from Netflix or something! I've been a fan of King Arthur about as long as I've been a fan of DRoP.

Best of luck in finding your vision of F'lar, Lady Maelin! I haven't found him yet either. I was actually a little miffed to read Twilight, and read that the "hero" (supposedly) has golden-amber eyes. But F'lar's the original amber-eyed guy , and I think that he should keep his title.
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Assuming she and I were single, about the only woman I'd throw Kate Beckinsale out of bed for would be Simone Simons. But Beckinsale's not right for the role of Lessa. Moreta, perhaps, but not Lessa.

I could sooner see Jackman as F'nor than F'lar. Jackman's just a little too naturally flip. That works for an inveterate smart-ass like Wolverine, but that's not F'lar. Much as I like Jackman as Wolverine, in spite of his being almost a foot too tall for the character, he just doesn't leap to mind for a Pern role.

Behr matches nothing on my casting slate. Too fleshy and soft in the face for F'lar. Or for any wind-burnt dragon-rider, frankly. Too much of the pretty-boy model look. F'lar needs an actor a little older than the part and a little time-worn. Since the stories pass rapidly in time, I'm not worried about any of the players being a little old for DF. There're a lot of stories after DF.

Lessa frankly demands an actress a little older than the part as well. With what they do with make-up any more, I more target the characters' ages circa DQ/TWD than DF. Beckinsale's a good age (and apparently an ageless beauty) but not the right vibe (and too tall). There are similar problems with perennial lookers Jennifer Connelly and Catherine Zeta Jones (who is also much to fleshy in the face).

Matching every exact feature doesn't concern me. Don't have amber eyes? Contacts are readily available and probably would be used anyhow. Nose a little too broad? Give the make-up and lighting folks a couple of minutes. Wrong height? Boxes and split level sets are an old, old trick. Or these days a little subtle CGI a la John Rhys Davies as Gimli.
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Old Feb 26 2009, 12:17 AM   #44
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I do have to agree with you on all of what you said above, especially having the actors somewhat older than the first book. What the characters have gone through would make them show their years more...especially with Lessa. Her life was a nightmare of bad to no food or sleep and terribly over worked on top of it. I went and took a look a Jason Behr, he is very nice looking and he is close to the look...but just not *Time Worn* like you so aptly stated above. I will look this weekend, and see if I can find someone who fits the bill...at least from the stand put of the books...maybe even a good pick the movie as well.

For me I think Lessa is well represented in Eva Green, through looks and temperment, especially those eyes of hers...now those are Lessa. The more I see of her the better I like her for the movie and for a good represntation from Anne's writings. I never have cared for the way Robin depicted Lessa in PoP....nice painting though.
Well if nothing else, when this looking is all finished, I will at least have a couple or few new portraits that at least I like to put on my walls, that match what I think some of these character might have looked like.

Electric...soooo whats wrong with Jennifer Connelly, you never said? I thought she looked fairly good for Lessa [just saw her this evening in the grocery store on the cover of some magazine].
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Weyrlady...there are some pretty hunky guys out there in real life, that have those same sexy amber eyes. You can't blame another writer for putting them on their hero as well. Thank you again for your helpful suggestions.
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How about Ben Tari?



Put a bit of extra hair on him and viola, F'lar or F'nor!
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GHarris...OOOOoooooOOOO Jason Behr, I missed this one...he looks good. I might have to go and check him out further. I don't really care for Hugh as F'lar or F'nor...but as the Wolverine, he was truly hunky. I have to go with Anareth and say.... NO...NO...NO...with your pic of Kate Beckinsale...but I want to say Thank You very much for your help.
Jason's been mentioned a few times. And we know that a good artist like you is able to take someone close and make them more perfect.

Well, that wasn't a very good picture of Kate Beckinsale, but I do think she's not quite right for Lessa, anyways. You've already done CZJ as Avril Bitra, so we can cancel her out.

If people want someone that's shows a little wear, but is still close to the correct age for F'lar, how about Bodie Olmos.



I was thinking Lacey Chabert for Lessa, but her features aren't any more fine than Leah Cairns. Going out on a limb, Ming-Na (from ER a few years ago) has fine features, if you're willing to give Lessa an asian look.

Hey, I figure the more different people that are shown to you for F'lar and Lessa, then the better chance that you find one that you think is perfect.

Another couple to think about are Ewan McGregor and Jude Law. They both have that handsome, but windblown look.

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Jube...your getting close with with Ben Tari...but he still doens't have the right look in his eyes, and I don't mean the color. I need to see a certain look...the rest I believe I can fix...or give a *Well worn* look to. Thank you very much for pitching in a giveing me a hand, with finding the right face....I do appriciate it.
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GHarris...I actually did look at Ewan McGregor, when I did Sean Colonel's portrait...but I don't think he's quite right for F'lar.
The new photo is very close to F'lar's facial structure...but its a little long. Once again IMO...theres something missing in his expressions.
Ming Na...she is lovely...and she does have some very appropriate looks to her face. If it wasn't for the strong Irish background, to the Ruatha Hold family line...I think I might enjoy having her come from an Asian background.

I have always seen F'lon, F'lar and F'nor's father, as having an Indic heritage and looks reminiscent of Tarvi Andyar. Perhaps not as darkly complected..but with those kinds of very handsome features. I think that Robin's original painting showed some of those qualities in her F'lar. Thank you kindly for your help in finding these faces...and making your interesting suggestions, I will take all of them into consideration.
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I keep looking and looking at this awesome picture, Maelin... but to me, I am looking at T'bor, not F'lar.
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Interesting thought AnnMarie...Thank you kindly for your compliment. Got any face in mind for your idea of what F'lar does look like???
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I do have to agree with you on all of what you said above, especially having the actors somewhat older than the first book. What the characters have gone through would make them show their years more...especially with Lessa. Her life was a nightmare of bad to no food or sleep and terribly over worked on top of it. I went and took a look a Jason Behr, he is very nice looking and he is close to the look...but just not *Time Worn* like you so aptly stated above. I will look this weekend, and see if I can find someone who fits the bill...at least from the stand put of the books...maybe even a good pick the movie as well.

For me I think Lessa is well represented in Eva Green, through looks and temperment, especially those eyes of hers...now those are Lessa. The more I see of her the better I like her for the movie and for a good represntation from Anne's writings. I never have cared for the way Robin depicted Lessa in PoP....nice painting though.
Well if nothing else, when this looking is all finished, I will at least have a couple or few new portraits that at least I like to put on my walls, that match what I think some of these character might have looked like.

Electric...soooo whats wrong with Jennifer Connelly, you never said? I thought she looked fairly good for Lessa [just saw her this evening in the grocery store on the cover of some magazine].
Okay, Eva Green is one of those areas we're going to have to agree to disagree because I'm just not seeing what you are. Green seems too broad across both the jaw and the cheek bones, and her eyes really don't do anything to capture me. I was also less than pleased with her acting, particularly in Casino Royale.

What's wrong with Jennifer Connelly? Not bloody much! Jennifer Connelly is a beauty and probably only Simons and Beckinsale could get her dumped unceremoniously out of my theoretically single bed. When she was just hitting her majority she was whiplash-worthy (Labyrinth, Rocketeer). But she's too tall, and too substantial for Lessa. Whether from surgery or maternity, she has also gotten far too busty (for both my taste and for the part). This is also another case where I don't get the "vibe" of the character from the actress. Connelly's a fantastic actress and certainly deserved her Oscar, and both my wife and I are fans, but seeing her as Lessa just falls a little...flat. There's no spark. Connelly has led more of a charmed life and a bit spoiled. More of Lessa's developmental years were Hell than spoiled, so I'll go with someone who has suffered more pain.

That's really one of the major reasons I settled on Cairns, broad nose bridge and all. Cairns has known real pain and struggle and could bring that to the character. Just like Owen for F'lar. Owen's a family man and a little bit shy. Very bright, and very astute in his observations. He obviously functions well in the public eye, but prefers not to reside there. These all contribute to what he could bring to the character of F'lar, who is quite loyal, extremely intelligent, functions perfectly well on the stage of leadership, and would really just as soon sit down on the furs in front of the fire with Lessa and have a nice cup of klah as attend a Gather, much less rally the Lord Holders.

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Now, if I was going to cast Lessa for sheer bitchy attitude, I would have to go with Andrea Parker, another of my very favorite actresses. Her portrayal of Miss Parker in the Pretender was a never-ending delight of cocky venom. It's not often you can describe a woman with the adjective "cocky" and not have it seem absurd, but Parker made Miss Parker work in a way few actresses could have. The scene where she had essentially turned Broots' daughter into her youthful doppelganger was utterly priceless. But, in almost every other way, a 6-foot, poker-playing, sharp-shooting, stunt-driving ballerina doesn't work for Lessa. However, in the emotional pain department, Parker is a widow and could bring that.

Parker can, and has done, blonde, and but for her age I'd consider her for Kylara, but frankly I think the role just wouldn't be a challenge for her. I think she'd make a wonderful Zulaya, easily. Now...an interesting fit might be casting her as someone like Manora...or better yet, Silvina...that would be a delightfully unexpected shift of the gears and a challengingly different part...

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I picked Ben Tari because he's an Aussie and looks like a younger version of George Clooney. As a suggestion, pick the best bits off each person and go with that. If you like the ears on one person and the eyes off somebody else, go with it.
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I have always seen F'lon, F'lar and F'nor's father, as having an Indic heritage and looks reminiscent of Tarvi Andyar. Perhaps not as darkly complected..but with those kinds of very handsome features. I think that Robin's original painting showed some of those qualities in her F'lar. Thank you kindly for your help in finding these faces...and making your interesting suggestions, I will take all of them into consideration.
I never considered F'lon, F'lar, and F'nor has having the Indic heritage, as I did with Sebell (who I think Tarvi Andyar would be perfect for).

Antonio Banderas would be too old, but he has those hints of a more exotic background.

Since we're talking about "quick" drawings, would you consider doing one of Tarvi as Sebell?

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Electric Dragon...well on that we can agree to disagree. I think we each see a completely different person in the character of Lessa, when we are reading the Dragonrider books. I also think that you are coming from the direction of the actor that would deliver the best of Anne's characters personalities...and I am coming from the direction of who looks the most in facial structure and expression to what Anne wrote. I think there are probably quite a few actors/actresses that could do play the roles with equal parts of imagination and professionalism along with bringing to it the correct personality of the character. Lets hope that they also have a bit of the right look to them as well and then a lot of us will be happier, instead of only a few of us.
I will look further into who you mentioned for Lessa and see if I can come a bit closer to something you might agree on...if not it has been fun disagreeing with you again.
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Jube...Ben Tari, has a lot of nice qualities to his looks for F'lar...and your suggestion to taking parts of many faces has some merit, but only if all those parts fit nicely together. It might get really interesting if I put up a question on the board, for someone to find me F'lars nose...or chin...ROTFL. I think for right now I will stick to trying to find the whole face...that might acutally be a lot easier for me and those who are helping to look.
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GHarris...well I have acutally already created a Pern Character Portrait, of Tarvi Andyar.
Go and look here....

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...it will lead you to where you can see the whole portrait and scene,that resides on Hans *Pern Museum and Archives*site.
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...it will lead you to where you can see the whole portrait and scene,that resides on Hans *Pern Museum and Archives*site.

Ok, I remember that one, now. It's just been a while. He probably is a more suitable choice for an obviously Indic actor.

Getting back to F'lar. Since you're looking for someone with more exotic features, how about Goran Visnjic, who used to be on ER (the eastern european doctor that left town with Abby).

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I think you drew young Weyrleader K'van, not F'lar But awesome as always
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I actually never considered that F'lon might be of East Indian/Pakastani heritage, but it make total sense. So that's where F'lar and F'nor get those awesome exotic looks!

Another suggestion that I have as far as ethnic possibilities for looks go. . . is either Hispanic or Native American (or a combination thereof). There are some great Native American actors out there- Adam Beach comes to mind (and, actually, the lead singer of the local rock band Blackfire is a real looker, but that's neither here nor there). The movie Dances With Wolves had some truly awesome Native talent in it.

My personal fav picture of F'nor is the one from the page where it talks about Southern Weyr in the Dragonlover's Guide. All cooing over Grall's adorable-ness aside, F'nor has the beautiful high cheekbones and dark good looks of many Native Americans. Personally, I've always seen F'nor as looking distinctly Native American or Hispanic. . . or both!

People of Spanish or Mexican descent are just as attractive (and I'm not just sticking up for my own heritage here!) Antonio Banderas, anyone? Many of the other Latino actors that I can think of off the top of my head are female, and I realize that we're looking for guys here.

Orlando Bloom? Is he Latino?
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GHarris...Goran Visnjic, looks good for F'nor here...not quite the finished looks of F'lar, as Anne wrote
in Dragonquest I believe. Thank you for suggesting him...

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Ok, I remember that one, now. It's just been a while. He probably is a more suitable choice for an obviously Indic actor.

Getting back to F'lar. Since you're looking for someone with more exotic features, how about Goran Visnjic, who used to be on ER (the eastern european doctor that left town with Abby).

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Good suggestion, but Owen still has more gravitas. F'lar is a deadly serious guy.
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Thank you Anneli, for the compliment...but if I would have
been drawing K'van, I think I would have pick someone a
lot younger looking...with still a bit of innocence in his face.


Weyrlady... No I don't think Orlando Bloom, is of latino
descent. But unlike so many here I don't have a problem,with easily
seeing him as F'nor, or one if the younger riders. I don't see him as a pretty boy type, not since I saw *Kindom of Heaven*he was mature, and did a great job in that movie. Antonio Banderas, on the other hand is as hunky of a latino that I can think of and I would be very, very happy to find a character that he would fit...I drool over him every time I watch *The 13th Warrior*. Thank you though...you and I at least enjoy similar drool fests...
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I actually never considered that F'lon might be of East Indian/Pakastani heritage, but it make total sense. So that's where F'lar and F'nor get those awesome exotic looks!

Another suggestion that I have as far as ethnic possibilities for looks go. . . is either Hispanic or Native American (or a combination thereof). There are some great Native American actors out there- Adam Beach comes to mind (and, actually, the lead singer of the local rock band Blackfire is a real looker, but that's neither here nor there). The movie Dances With Wolves had some truly awesome Native talent in it.

My personal fav picture of F'nor is the one from the page where it talks about Southern Weyr in the Dragonlover's Guide. All cooing over Grall's adorable-ness aside, F'nor has the beautiful high cheekbones and dark good looks of many Native Americans. Personally, I've always seen F'nor as looking distinctly Native American or Hispanic. . . or both!

People of Spanish or Mexican descent are just as attractive (and I'm not just sticking up for my own heritage here!) Antonio Banderas, anyone? Many of the other Latino actors that I can think of off the top of my head are female, and I realize that we're looking for guys here.

Orlando Bloom? Is he Latino?
If F'lon was of northwest Indian/Pakistani descent he would be indistinguishable from other Caucasians. You have to get down into the Dravidian region to get darkly cast Indians. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to tell if he was Pakistani, Arab, Israeli, Turkish, Moroccan, Egyptian, Greek, Italian, Hispanic, or just lucky enough to tan well.

Banderas' accent probably wouldn't work for Pern. Pern seems under-represented in some ethnic groups (which would not necessarily be unrealistic). People of Hispanic origins don't stand out in the background of the Pernese.

We know we have Irish, Russians, Tauregs, Tinkers, Indians, a small contingent of Japanese, and at least one black African. Beyond that everyone seems to be of a Anglo-centric Western European background (to include the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa).

Pern seems light on East Asians in general, and Eastern Europeans other than Russians, and maybe a Magyar or two. Africans seem under-represented, and we have no obvious Aborigines (Although, now that I think of it, maybe Zi Ongala was Australian and not African...?). No Hispanic names pop immediately to mind on the roster. Anybody recall one?
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I think those other genic types were probably represented...but just not individually mentioned by Anne. I have always thought that when the colonist applied for permission to aquire the planet Pern, they had to show a certain percentage of ethnic diversification...but that would also include at least some of the different colony groups as well, that had an Earth colony on it who might also want to join the Pern colony. If I remember rightly Emily Boll, was from a different [I couldn't find the name if it was mentioned] planet other than Earth, as was Paul Benden wasn't he was from Cygnus.
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i think those other types were probably represented...but just not individually mentioned by Anne. I have always thought that when the colonist applied for permission to aquire the planet Pern, they had to show a certain percentage of ethnic groups...but that would also include all the different colony groups that were out there as well that might want to join. If I remember rightly Emily Boll, was from a different [I couldn't find the name if it was mentioned] planet other than Earth, as was Paul Benden wasn't he was from Cygnus.
They were required to take certain ethnic parties on as part of a political deal to get the ships on the cheap if I recall correctly. Since they were founding a rustic colony, they got the Tinkers and the Tauregs foisted off on them (whether they wanted, liked, or shared common goals with them or not--you see some of that in DD).

This doesn't mean that there was anything like an even demographic distribution. To join the Pern colony, you had to be a volunteer (unless you happened to be those "undesirable" Tinkers or Tauregs that Earth was tossing out on their ears because there was no place for them anymore in Earth society). If Hispanics and Africans didn't feel compelled to live rustically and didn't volunteer, they would not be represented.

Considering that I suspect Pern was supposed to be an analog of Ireland when first written, we're lucky the author included any ethnic groups at all. Assuming all are represented might be unrealistic.
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Electric Dragon...With all the different ethnic type faces that Robin Wood drew under Anne's guidance I have often thought that many of the races were suppose to be included. Remember Ongola was of African desent...and there were also many Asians and Indic peoples on board as well. That shows to me that Anne ment to have a wide base of peoples represented on Pern...if for no other reason that to appeal to all types of people. Lord the woman had every kind of personality as well mentioned. I do see a lot of different faces on Pern...not just the Irish/European types.
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seeing him as F'nor, or one if the younger riders. I don't see him as a pretty boy type, not since I saw *Kindom of Heaven*he was mature, and did a great job in that movie. Antonio Banderas, on the other hand is as hunky of a latino that I can think of and I would be very, very happy to find a character that he would fit...I drool over him every time I watch *The 13th Warrior*. Thank you though...you and I at least enjoy similar drool fests...
Orlando Bloom is such a looker regardless of what he is. . . I wouldn't care if he were from another planet(I kind of have a thing for guys from other planets anyway!) He'd make an excellent F'nor; I'm glad that we agree on that, Lady Maelin! Gonna have to see Kingdom of Heaven- I've heard some very good things. I think that movie came out when I was living and working in a park in CO, 50-some miles from a movie theater. I have some catch-up to do.
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Electric Dragon...With all the different ethnic type faces that Robin Wood drew under Anne's guidance I have often thought that many of the races were suppose to be included. Remember Ongola was of African desent...and there were also many Asians and Indic peoples on board as well. That shows to me that Anne ment to have a wide base of peoples represented on Pern...if for no other reason that to appeal to all types of people. Lord the woman had every kind of personality as well mentioned. I do see a lot of different faces on Pern...not just the Irish/European types.
Just making the point that the circumstances of Pern's formation (either by the author or within the canon of the story) are not necessarily indicative of a population that is a completely representative demographic slice of humanity. Yes, there is quite a bit of variety (in the later stories), but it is entirely possible that there isn't a single Eskimo, Romanian, Bushman, Brazilian, Apache, Matis or Laotian that went to Pern.
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I think Anne tried to include as many nationalities as she could, knowing that her books were popular in many parts of the world, but it would be unreasonable to expect her to carefully develop "ethnic" characters of every concievable type purely to be PC. I would think that by the time the Pern colony mission was organized there would have been so much mixing and mingling on Earth that true 100% ethnicity of any kind would be relatively rare. Most people would be likely to be even more of a "mixed bag" than most Americans now are. When I think of who all went into the making of me, for instance, I have to think that most "Earthers" were probably pretty generic.
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Is it possible that Romanians went? After all, gypsy type travellers have been known as traders (the Lilcamps spring to mind here) on Pern. There would be other families/groups that would come under this heading as well.
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I was making a general, not specific point.
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I think Anne tried to include as many nationalities as she could, knowing that her books were popular in many parts of the world, but it would be unreasonable to expect her to carefully develop "ethnic" characters of every concievable type purely to be PC. I would think that by the time the Pern colony mission was organized there would have been so much mixing and mingling on Earth that true 100% ethnicity of any kind would be relatively rare. Most people would be likely to be even more of a "mixed bag" than most Americans now are. When I think of who all went into the making of me, for instance, I have to think that most "Earthers" were probably pretty generic.
I suspect that Earthers of the future will have many more "brown-skinned" ethnic mixes, but I don't know as you'll ever get rid of "white," "black," "yellow," and "red" skinned ethnic groups. For every person that is fascinated by people of a another color there is another that is repulsed (and not out of any malicious prejudice but merely their genetic encoding of what they find attractive and unattractive).
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I assume you mean Romany? Gypsies aren't Romanian. They're a distinct ethnic group, and haven't been historically popular to say the least. I think if the tinkers et al went it's safe to think some Rom might have, too.
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Electric Dragon...I think your talking more of countries than of actual ethnic groups. I still think that possibly what Anne was more concerned about on Pern was for all of what represented Earth to have a chance to start over...with what would be a society without all the inane reasons for war.


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Thanks Anareth, I was hastily writing Romany and out it came as Romanian. O sugar, whatever, at least someone knew what I meant
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Lady Maelin, what a fabulous portrait! (OK, I admit I'm rather sweet on Clive Owen myself.) As to whether he'd be a good F'lar or not, or looks like my idea of F'lar - alas, as I don't *have* an idea of what F'lar looks like in my head, I can't comment! F'lar was somehow always more a presence for me than a carefully described person - a good writer's trick, that. If you describe how the person makes you *feel* and keep the physical description sketchy, your readers can put any face to it they want, hence our divided opinions.

That said - your work is terrific! You are so wildly talented, lady. Another triumph, this.

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I think Lanen has the right of it. The only thing that I clearly remember about F'lar's physical description is the lock of hair that keeps falling in his eyes. The rest is rather fuzzy.
I never thought of that! It's a very good reason why there are so many different takes on what he looks like. Thanks, Lanen!
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An author friend of mine says he's deliberately vague, beyond "important details" (red-gold hair and green eyes with a "dancer's build", in the case we were talking of) on things like face shape, lots of details about nose and mouth and such, so that people can just imagine what they like.
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