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Old May 12 2010, 10:29 AM   #1
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What is the bloody point of ebooks if they are only downloadable in the US and Canada? I want to get some of the Pern books I don't have yet but I can't because I don't live in the right country. Doesn't Anne want readers in other countries? No wonder piracy is flourishing if piracy is the only way to buy things.
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Anne, like most authors, would, I'm sure, love everybody everwhere to be able to access all her books.

Blame the publishers protecting their own interests.
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It might be more a case of the publishers only being able to make available books in those countries where they have the rights.
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Old May 12 2010, 09:17 PM   #4
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Whatever the excuse, if they don't make the books (or music) available through legitimate channels, it is hypocritical to then complain about piracy.
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Whatever the excuse, if they don't make the books (or music) available through legitimate channels, it is hypocritical to then complain about piracy.
No pun plotbubby on still and such?
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Old May 13 2010, 12:23 AM   #6
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I'm sorry, Ginny, but I don't understand.
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Old May 13 2010, 02:13 AM   #7
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I'm sorry, Ginny, but I don't understand.
A plot bunny is an idea for stories writing, I was thinking somethink like illegal stills for making brews, and selling them to those who can't make them.

piracy holdless taking away a order of wine/beer being transported by traders.
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Ginny, what you're thinking of, should be in a seperate thread. If you're thinking of a story on piracy, illegal stills etc then by all means, write the story and put it up BUT I think Bingley means that living in countries where publishers only sell certain books, cds, dvds etc and he can't get them in his own country, he wonders why publishers complain about piracy where someone bootlegs the copy and sells it as a commodity on the black market. It isn't fair on the author or publisher or movie-makers, I realise that but it is a sad fact of life for those trying to make a legal wage on their copyrights etc .

Bingley, you do realise that there are people who can purchase the legal copy in those countries and have it sent to you? One only has to ask nicely and someone will surely help you out with it. I've found this beneficial and have either exchanged books or paid via paypal the costs of said book and postage (either purchasing off them or vice versa, someone wanted one of my books) that both sides have been quite happy after the transaction. Give it a try and see what happens...
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Old May 13 2010, 05:26 AM   #9
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There is no demand - there is no offer. It's sad. I dream to buy many years People of Pern, the Atlas and some other books - but is not present possibility. Has casually found on one Russian site Gift of Dragons, but it costs very expensively - I will save money
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There is a U.K. copy of A Gift of Dragons going for £8.08 + £2.50 for packing & postage (currently 476 roubles).

There is also a copy of Atlas of Pern going for £3.99 + £5.00 for packing & postage (about 405 roubles)
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What king of ebooks were you looking at, bingley? I'm in The Netherlands and never had trouble?
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Old May 13 2010, 06:22 AM   #12
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Oh sure, I could order the book from Amazon and have it shipped over here, but I resent having to pay the postage when it's technically feasible to download it, thus saving postage and unnecessary use of the planet's resources.

@Hans. I was hoping to get the ones I haven't got so far, such as A Gift of Dragons and Skies of Pern.
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Again, tell me where you were and for what you were looking please? I understand you want a dowload.
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Old May 13 2010, 06:31 AM   #14
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I'm in Jakarta, and I want A Gift of Dragons and The Skies of Pern.
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P'ter О_О Where you have found such prices?
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Indonesia's not that far from OZ although I'm unable to help out with cd's or download-able content as I only have "The gift of dragons" on cd and it's the only copy, I have with me. But if I'm able to help out, I'll try my bestest.
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Thanks for the offer, Jube. I suspect I'll have to wait till someone is coming out here from America and ask them to bring me the actual books.
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I'm looking into your problem, Bingley, but a little too busy right now. I Am looking into uet though!
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Indonesia's not that far from OZ although I'm unable to help out with cd's or download-able content as I only have "The gift of dragons" on cd and it's the only copy, I have with me. But if I'm able to help out, I'll try my bestest.
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There is a U.K. copy of A Gift of Dragons going for £8.08 + £2.50 for packing & postage (currently 476 roubles). <sinp> any different from the USA copy? P'ter

There is also a copy of Atlas of Pern going for £3.99 + £5.00 for packing & postage (about 405 roubles)
I'm looking for a copy of one, I've might have found a way one I've got the book to make so I can see it. More later.
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Thanks, Hans.
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Ginny: there's about four (book) copies of Gift of Dragons for sale on e-bay. That one had the best combination of price and P&P to Russia.
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Bingley, I checked with fictionwise.com (A Barnes & Noble company) and here's what they have on their website:

An eBook I wanted to buy has Geographic Restrictions. What's that?

Due to the way eBook contracts are written, there are times when a particular eBook has geographic restrictions. This means we cannot legally sell the eBook to people who live in certain countries. Books that have this kind of restriction are marked on their description page, in the information area there will be a list of countries allowed or not allowed to purchase the eBook. Please note that USA residents can buy every single one of our titles. Canadian residents can buy all but a very tiny handful of titles.

How do you determine what country a customer is in?


We look at the billing country of your credit card to determine your location.

What countries does this affect?

The majority of our eBooks can be purchased by anyone in the world. All multiformat eBooks are unrestricted, for example. Every single eBook we sell can be sold to residents of the USA. Almost all of them can be sold to residents of Canada.
Fewer than ten percent of our titles are restricted in any way. In most cases the restrictions are for European countries or Australia, but in some cases the restrictions can be quite complicated and affect many different regions. The eBook's description page will list any restrictions.

Why do publishers make these kinds of restrictions? Don't they want to sell eBooks?


The paper book business has always had the notion of being able to sell the rights of a particular book to different publishers by geographic region. Although we would tend to agree that this notion is outdated in the world of the Internet and eBooks, the fact is those contracts are still in force. If publishers do not take steps to ensure their eBook sales are adhering to the terms of those contracts, they are subject to legal action from whatever other publisher has licensed the rights to the eBook in other countries. Effectively, the publisher's hands are tied. As such, they require us to enforce these restrictions. If we did not obey the publisher's wishes, the publisher would withdraw the eBooks from sale on our web site for all customers.

Aren't you discriminating against certain countries by doing this?


We are legally bound to restrict sale of titles that have these limitations to the allowed countries. If we did not, we would lose the eBooks and nobody would be able to buy them from us. We don't like it any more than you do, believe us when we tell you that. It causes us not only to lose sales, but also to get complaints from customers, and we like to keep our customers happy.

Should I complain to the Publisher of the eBook?

No. The problem is that the rights to these eBooks is not held by a single publisher. In some countries it might be one publisher, in another country a completely different publisher. The publisher who gives us the right to sell the eBook only has the right to grant us that for customers who live in the geographic region their contract covers.

What is Fictionwise doing to resolve this situation?

Fictionwise is working with our suppliers and publishers to set up a system whereby we run multiple storefronts in different countries. Once we have this system in place, we should be able to sell eBooks that have these kinds of restrictions to many more areas. We would deliver the correct country version of each such eBook in a way that makes sure the correct geographic rights holder gets paid for the eBook. That's ultimately what people care about. We are trying to make this as transparent to our customers as possible. But it is a complex problem because it deals with issues like tarifs, VAT taxes, currency conversions, and other issues involving multiple parties.

So, that (publisher's restriction as to rights and copyrights) is the reason for you not being able to buy the ebook you want from the country you are in.
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Old May 15 2010, 06:51 AM   #23
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We must have been looking at the same seller, Hans, though I found it under the name eReader. At any rate, it had exactly the same explanation, word for word. I understand the explanation, I just don't think it's acceptable. As a friend of mine puts it, more and more is becoming available online to fewer and fewer people.
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The owner of ereader is also Barnes & Noble.

You can find it's not acceptable but the seller (as the text explains) can't do anything about it. It is the publisher defending the author's rights. It simply seems a case of certain country's publishing houses not wanting to publish or pay or the books *shrug* No contract = no money = no booksales. Which I find understandable.

On the other hand, somebody could and should be able to make a gift of the ebooks to you!

I agree with you that the situation with ebooks isn't clear and not nice for the customer, after all, you do pay for the ebook and the author gets his/her money because you actually buy the book in the country the seller is located (USA in this case).

Frustrating indeed and not fair at all.
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Yay, I found an ebook seller who sells to Indonesia. They were advertising on FB. For those with similar problems, their website is http://www.ebooks.com/

So, I now have A Gift of Dragons. Hopefully I'll better understand Renegades since it was obvious there was a back story there I was missing out on.
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