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Old Feb 3 2008, 12:20 PM   #1
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Okay, I'm not asking who your favorite is. I know some people have some pretty strong feelings about some of the characters.

However, capability and likability do not always (or perhaps even often) go hand in hand. Bearing this in mind, of the various Weyrwomen described in the many stories, who would you consider the most capable (as in given a choice you would ride under her command)?
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Moreta. She really takes her job seriously.

I don't think I'd want to actually be directly under Lessa...
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Zulaya and Moreta, for certain. Zulaya had the skill to run a Weyr, and she genuinely cared about all the riders within it. She was also concerned with events outside the Weyr, such as with Chalkin, and she was one of Iantine's supporters when he was finally free of Bitra, right when he needed help.

Moreta was a heroine, plain and simple, but she was also just a good woman. She took the duties of the Weyr seriously, and she was always ready to aid a wounded dragon. There were times when she made mistakes in the care of a dragon, especially with Tamianth of another Weyr, but she owned up to her mistakes, and her swift actions to correct the mess helped save lives, when the gratitude of Tamianth's rider loaned her some of the 'riders needed to distribute the serum.

EDIT: Shoot, I forgot Sorka! She worked her a-s off too, just as hard as Sean, in order to keep the Weyr going, the Queens' Wing flying, and all the dragon bloodlines in order.
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And if Tamianth had been in the same Weyr, she would have spotted the problem a lot sooner.
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Lessa, even though she's an over-bearing task master, she will get down and dirty if needs be.
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Moreta. Now, in fairness, she's the only one we get to see in detail in a "normal" Weyr situation (before the plauge goes pandemic), but she seems to have the best grasp of how to keep a Weyr running.
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Zulaya and Moreta, for certain. Zulaya had the skill to run a Weyr, and she genuinely cared about all the riders within it. She was also concerned with events outside the Weyr, such as with Chalkin, and she was one of Iantine's supporters when he was finally free of Bitra, right when he needed help.

Moreta was a heroine, plain and simple, but she was also just a good woman. She took the duties of the Weyr seriously, and she was always ready to aid a wounded dragon. There were times when she made mistakes in the care of a dragon, especially with Tamianth of another Weyr, but she owned up to her mistakes, and her swift actions to correct the mess helped save lives, when the gratitude of Tamianth's rider loaned her some of the 'riders needed to distribute the serum.

EDIT: Shoot, I forgot Sorka! She worked her a-s off too, just as hard as Sean, in order to keep the Weyr going, the Queens' Wing flying, and all the dragon bloodlines in order.
I'll personally second Zulaya.
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I'll add my vote for Moreta, for the same reasons as above. Zulaya would be a close second, though.
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Zulaya for reasons already stated. Same goes for Moreta.

Lessa too in that, though she's a prideful and at times bitchy person, she still isn't afraid to get down and dirty and work with her cohorts to get a job done.
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Zulaya and Moreta.....like many others here. Lessa may make for a demanding Weyrwoman, but if you do your own jobs right and don't mess up and make stupid mistakes often....living in her Weyr would be just fine! As a perfectionist myself I understand that quality in others!! I would have no problems living in a Weyr under Lessa's direction.

Each of these Weyrwomen exhibit the quality of doing everthing in their power for the good of Dragonkind and Pern. This I understand!!
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Sorka, Morera & Lessa.
We realy do not know much about the 9th pass Werywoman except Lessa.
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Sorka really made little impression on me.

Torene I liked, but we saw little of her skills.

Irene and Laura seemed capable, but Zulaya throughly overshadowed them, and she proved deft and subtle, as well as forceful and compassionate. Zulaya brought the full show and we got to see it.

Moreta struck me as talented and worthy of mention, but (and it has been a long time) I'm not sure she seemed to handle Sh'gall as well as Zulaya managed B'ner and K'vin.

Of the Oldtimers, I seem to recall Merika and Mardra as bitter and provincial, but able to manage their Weyrs. Bedella seems to have been regarded as vapid. I recall Nadira being pretty but little about her skills. Fanna seems to have been well-regarded.

Lessa is imperious and volatile, a martinet in female guise and a temperamental leader is seldom attractive or entirely effective. Lessa gets something of a pass for never having been properly trained and doing well in spite of it all, but what she'd be like without F'lar to reign her in bears some disturbing contemplation. She is very "bang-bang," very "black&white" and I'm sure she has managed a number of petty injustices in her extremes.

Kylara is just a self-centered disaster who doesn't even bother to attempt the job, shoving it off on her juniors. A waste of skin.

I don't recall the other 9th Pass weyrwomen.

I'll reaffirm my preference for Zulaya.
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Okay, I'm not asking who your favorite is. I know some people have some pretty strong feelings about some of the characters.

However, capability and likability do not always (or perhaps even often) go hand in hand. Bearing this in mind, of the various Weyrwomen described in the many stories, who would you consider the most capable (as in given a choice you would ride under her command)?
Sorka - for the same reasons as Sean. Being first means that you have to anticipate which mistakes you might make, so you can try to lessen their impact. Whereas others have tradition and lessons to help.

Moreta

Lessa - While some have given credit to F'lar for helping to reign her in, I'm giving more credit to Manora. Having a headwoman who knows what she is doing can make a Weyrwoman's job much easier. Other than the supply problem, Lessa didn't have to worry about the more mundane problems of the Weyr.

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sorka, lessa for the simple fact that both had to learn all about the dragons.
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Sorka - for the same reasons as Sean. Being first means that you have to anticipate which mistakes you might make, so you can try to lessen their impact. Whereas others have tradition and lessons to help.

Moreta

Lessa - While some have given credit to F'lar for helping to reign her in, I'm giving more credit to Manora. Having a headwoman who knows what she is doing can make a Weyrwoman's job much easier. Other than the supply problem, Lessa didn't have to worry about the more mundane problems of the Weyr.

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Leri. Much of what we admire in Moreta was inculcated by Leri's training. She commanded huge respect both within and outside the Weyrs.

Brekke. Her issues aside, Brekke took on the majority of Senior Weyrwoman duties (due to Kylara's negligence) and performed them well, while dealing with a young queen who still needed a lot of care, and nursing the most heavily injured dragonriders.
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Leri. Much of what we admire in Moreta was inculcated by Leri's training. She commanded huge respect both within and outside the Weyrs.

Brekke. Her issues aside, Brekke took on the majority of Senior Weyrwoman duties (due to Kylara's negligence) and performed them well, while dealing with a young queen who still needed a lot of care, and nursing the most heavily injured dragonriders.
Good point about Leri.

I can't separate Brekke from her failure in something essential to a Weyrwoman. Yes, she was great at everything else, but when push came to shove she wasn't able to sacrifice her mores even if it would have helped her handle matters when Wirenth rose. Ergo, she was unprepared for the event and whatever she might have been able to do to moderate it could not be done.
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J'rem, I most heartily agree.....Leri is also who I would choose. She was a tower of strength for her weyr. She above all other Weyrwomen of her time was respected and cherrished for her wise leadership. Moreta's strength and wisdom came from being taught by and learning from Leri....not to take anything away from Moreta's bravery, but I look to the one that taught her, and that she respected more than anyone else for the true Weyrwoman leader.
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Good point about Leri.

I can't separate Brekke from her failure in something essential to a Weyrwoman. Yes, she was great at everything else, but when push came to shove she wasn't able to sacrifice her mores even if it would have helped her handle matters when Wirenth rose. Ergo, she was unprepared for the event and whatever she might have been able to do to moderate it could not be done.
I agree that Brekke failed in an essential facet of being a Weyrwoman ... but I tend to overlook that, as it is extremely difficult (if not impossible) to overcome your earliest upbringing and training. Brekke was not weyrbred, she was craftbred, a far more conservative upbringing (though not as much so as the holdbred). Hangups aside, she was extremely responsible and an excellent manager of a Weyr.

Had things gone a different direction, she would have mated with a bronze rider (or possibly F'nor, the best solution for her personally) and her inherently sensible nature would probably have put that in perspective and she would have continued to be the sensible, responsible Weyrwoman that many characters in the novels lauded her for. After all, a mating flight is an inevitability for a queen or green rider. All her worries about "inhibiting Wirenth" didn't matter a grain of sand in Igen when Wirenth rose.

I see many similarities between Tai and Brekke. To me, one of the most interesting facets of the alien/human symbiosis of the dragons and humans is the sexual aspect. Especially considering the sexual hangups of many cultures here on Earth. But that is a whole 'nother discussion.
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I agree that Brekke failed in an essential facet of being a Weyrwoman ... but I tend to overlook that, as it is extremely difficult (if not impossible) to overcome your earliest upbringing and training. Brekke was not weyrbred, she was craftbred, a far more conservative upbringing (though not as much so as the holdbred). Hangups aside, she was extremely responsible and an excellent manager of a Weyr.

Had things gone a different direction, she would have mated with a bronze rider (or possibly F'nor, the best solution for her personally) and her inherently sensible nature would probably have put that in perspective and she would have continued to be the sensible, responsible Weyrwoman that many characters in the novels lauded her for. After all, a mating flight is an inevitability for a queen or green rider. All her worries about "inhibiting Wirenth" didn't matter a grain of sand in Igen when Wirenth rose.

I see many similarities between Tai and Brekke. To me, one of the most interesting facets of the alien/human symbiosis of the dragons and humans is the sexual aspect. Especially considering the sexual hangups of many cultures here on Earth. But that is a whole 'nother discussion.
I'm still cold to Brekke. Reads more like she's qualified to be headwoman of a Weyr's Lower Caverns than Weyrwoman. A sensible, responsible, but ultimately retiring personality does not a good leader make. A Weyrwoman must be able to command, and Brekke lacked that trait. I'll take Lessa, with all her mercurial moods over Brekke as a Weyrwoman any day, but my vote is still for Zulaya.
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I think given the chance to mature a little more then Brekke would have been a good weyrwoman. She never realy had a chane to show what she could do.
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