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Old Mar 21 2006, 11:20 PM   #1
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Default Thread: what's in a name?

We must be thankful that Anne knew how to name the things. Thread, after all, is "thread"; but it wouldn't be the same if it wasn't "thread", would it?

"Rise, Mnementh, and save Pern from the scourge of bologna" doesn't have the same ring. Nor does "Look, Ramoth, cuspidors are falling!"

So, what do you think: could Anne have bettered "thread", and with what? How appropriate do you see the name?
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Old Mar 22 2006, 12:06 AM   #2
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I think it's brilliant. A name that seems simple and harmless at first, but turning out to be the most viscious and horrible thing. I couldn't imagine it as anything else.
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Old Mar 22 2006, 01:41 AM   #3
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It's a great name!
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Old Mar 22 2006, 08:32 AM   #4
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Considering that it was named for what it resembles falling through the sky...

I couldn't imagine dragons flaming "ribbons", or "string".

Then there's always "filaments", or "tendrils". Cable? Fiber? Cord?

At least Thread is easy to say. "Go Mnementh, sear that mycrohorizmmmph" really doesn't have the same impact.
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Old Mar 22 2006, 08:36 AM   #5
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Default Re: Thread: what's in a name?

It's interesting to see that the common name for it survived (when taking into account the chronological nature of the books) and not the "scientific" name.

Thread is very appropriate
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Old Mar 22 2006, 11:48 AM   #6
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I like it, but you could have feed a lot of pern with "Bologna",and cheese.()............

The filaments??? That could have been good too though. "Flaming Filaments", it kind of sings?

Thread does take on an interesting emotion, from a word that has none in normal life, even on Pern.

Not until it rains down on the planet, then the use of the word would change your feeling about the "Thread" that you use for sewing, or weaving, or for anything else that it is used for in everyday life.
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Old Mar 22 2006, 02:30 PM   #7
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It's a perfect description! Strings just sounds silly, somehow. I won't try to come up with a better possibility cause I'm bad at naming things!
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Old Mar 22 2006, 03:44 PM   #8
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Isn't it from the first fall
when Ongola thought that the mychorrizoid on him was initially a loose thread from his pullover?
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Not until it rains down on the planet, then the use of the word would change your feeling about the "Thread" that you use for sewing, or weaving, or for anything else that it is used for in everyday life.
Which makes me wonder: By the later passes, wouldn't using the word "Thread" to mean sewing string become obsolete? After those first falls, no one would want to refer to anything else as thread. The word would have a certain amount of fear attached to it, so it seems logical that it wouldn't be used in everyday life except when referring to the spores.
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I think it is good. I could also see it as the "Menace".
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Old Mar 22 2006, 08:58 PM   #11
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I think it is good. I could also see it as the "Menace".
That sounds awkward..."OMG! The Menaces are falling! Flame them! That guy just gor scored by a Menace."

Just doesn't sound right.
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Old Mar 22 2006, 09:20 PM   #12
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Which makes me wonder: By the later passes, wouldn't using the word "Thread" to mean sewing string become obsolete? After those first falls, no one would want to refer to anything else as thread. The word would have a certain amount of fear attached to it, so it seems logical that it wouldn't be used in everyday life except when referring to the spores.
Good idea with that Monkeys, perhaps they would call it yarn, or string. Maybe even strand, for sewing thread, would be appropiate. Yarn or wool, for material, and tapestries.
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Thread is the best name for it. I often wonder if Anne had been mending and saw a tangle of threads to get the name.
As for keeping the thread name for sewing. I think it would stay. Thread on Pern took on a new meaning, but I think the old meaning would stick too. After all, Thread was a threat for 50 years at a time with 250 years without that threat. I think it could keep both meanings without any confusion or fright.
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I think Thread works really well. Flaming Fibers sounds more like an oath than an action. As for the stuff used for sewing, some people call that cotton. That has always been interesting in itself to me because a lot of it has no cotton in it.
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Coelura, I think that you are right with the fact that the thread only drops for a short time compared with the interval, and they would probably keep the name for sewing thread the same, since they would sew all the time with it. Not worring about the thread rain untill it was there.
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Sandi, but it was all cotton way back when, and it would be on Pern also because they wouldn't have synthetic's on Pern only the home grown kind of threads, (ie) cotton thread.
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Do they have cotton on Pern? I wouldn't be surprised, but I never thought about it... Would they have flax? We know they have wool.
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I seem to think flax was mentioned somewhere...
Hey, Chimmy! Now wuold be a good time for one of your quotes!
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They brought many of the earth type plants and probably had cotton or something like it to make the cloth for their clothes.
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I seem to think flax was mentioned somewhere...
Hey, Chimmy! Now wuold be a good time for one of your quotes!

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I know there was flax in the Dragonriders game.
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I couldn't find quotes....but I found this:

All the Plants o' Pern (gotsta love it)

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[<<] Flax (I)
Growth form: Earth flax
Known location: Boll
Uses: fiber for weaving
Outside Info: Stem yields durable fibers, used to make linen and twine. It has slender stems with linear green leavs, flat blue flowers, and oily brown seeds. The mineral-rich seeds yield cold-pressed oil for cooking and hot pressed linseed oil for artist's and industrial use. Seeds contain soothing mucilage, oil contains fatty acids that reduces the risk of thrombosis and treats nutritional deficiencies. Internal overdose may cause poisoning. The seeds can also be used in 'eye pillows' to gently cool tired or sore eyes."

http://www.angelfire.com/on2/menai/pernplants.html#Flax

This is fanon, but it is plausible.

http://lmeertsbrand.web.wesleyan.edu...ft/fibers.html

http://souconweavers.tripod.com/

http://soucon.silvertree.org/area/cr...ts/weaver.html
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It's interesting to see that the common name for it survived (when taking into account the chronological nature of the books) and not the "scientific" name.

Thread is very appropriate
Common names always survive better than the scientific name - all the way through history, the common name for anything will invariably win out over it's 'scientific' name, unless it is in a scientific field.

Common names fix themselves in the public mind a lot easier and more effectively than the more complicated scientific ones, and over time will often come to be almost the sole name for a substance.
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Well, considering that in the ninth pass there are no cats or dogs, only felines and canines, it is a little surprising... although with the pronunciation difficulties of "mycorrhiza" perhaps not!
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My first exposure to Pern came from a very old computer game on my Commodore 64, which included a Thread fighting sequence. Nothing about the game made much sense, but I remember being particularly confused when my dragons kept getting killed by thread. It wasn’t until I read the books that I understood the difference, but that being said, I don’t think anything magical about the name ‘Thread’.

As for the different types of material available on Pern, cotton is mentioned frequently. The latest timeline-wise reference is in AtWoP, where it’s used as a lining in Hamian’s spacesuits, but I like this quote as it also mentions linen, which generally refers to flax:
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“Colors fade and fabrics certainly deteriorate…”
“We’ve some that graced houses in Landing. That Earth-Moon scene…”
“Which was made, as I’ve been told, out of synthetic yarns which are more durable than what we have now—cotton, linen, and wool. And even they are looking worn and losing color.”
“I’ll have them washed…”
“You’ll have them thread-worn…oops,” and K’vin grinned at the pun.
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