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Old May 10 2005, 05:53 AM   #1
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Default Gay Pheromones: Was Anne really that far off the mark?

Or, when Real Science meets Anne Science

[Aside: we really need an " opening a can of worms" smilie...]


When asked about how hatchling dragonets select candidates of the appropriate sexuality, Anne has often resorted to the rather far-fetched explanation of "Gay Pheromones".

Well, it seems as if some recent research carried out at the Monell Chemical Senses Centre in Philadelphia and published in Psychological Science may back up her ideas.

[Text taken/Paraphrased from today's Metro]
Researchers asked 82 gay and straight volunteers to sniff samples of sweat collected from the armpits of dozens of donors and say which they preferred. Gay men were attracted to the odours of other gay men and those of heterosexual women. But heterosexual men and women rated the sweat of gay men as their "least favourite odour". Dr Wysocki said "Gender preference has a biological component that is reflected in both the production of different body odours and in the response to body odours".
A separate study by swedish scientists anaylsed how the brains of gay and straight men and women responded to the testosterone derivative AND and the oestrogen-like steroid EST. They found that AND activated a part of the brain called the hypothalamus - which plays a big role in sexual behaviour- in gay men and straight women, but not in straight men. But EST activated the hypothalamus in heterosexual men alone.


So, so long as those green dragonets have good noses, they should be able to pick the right candidates after all...
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Old May 10 2005, 08:02 AM   #2
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Interesting- makes sense!
especially added to the telepathy of the dragonets reading the subconciousness to find the right person.
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Old May 10 2005, 10:08 AM   #3
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Very interesting! I wonder what results bisexual women would get (assuming bisexual men respond to both, as seems likely since gays do).
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It is the same with babies when the are born they recognize their mother by voice and smell. When researchers put a newborn between her nursing mother and another nursing mother she always turned to her mother. There is something about smells. I
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Interesting.



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that is interesting...
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Don't know that I give that much credence to the sweat-smelling test, as they aren't 100% sure even what pheromones ARE or if they do what we think they do, but the brain-wave tests are interesting. My *guess* (based on a brain & behavior class and being best friends with a research psychologist) is that it almost sounds like, if it's innate, the gay males' brains weren't properly exposed to testosterone in the embryonic phase (IIRC the hypothalmus, my professor's favorite section of the brain--yes, God help us, he had one-is fairly 'primitive' and would be one of the earliest parts to form) and as such it failed to form the correct male structure and such doesn't respond the right way to chemical stimuli.

Which might suggest that in part, male homosexuality is innate, the result of an error in embryonic development. So what about women?

Which, even if it is true and gay men somehow have female brains in terms of sex response, may explain the greens, but still doesn't explain blues.
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[snip] ... it failed to form the correct male structure and such doesn't respond the right way to chemical stimuli.

Which might suggest that in part, male homosexuality is innate, the result of an error in embryonic development. So what about women?
LOL I'm not sure if I like being considered as an "incorrect" or as an "error"! Although in a way we could also assume that males are a developmental error anyway since all foetuses are inherently female ................
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Ah, but without males, females are useless as in higher-order mammals they can't change sex or reproduce asexually. In strict evolutionary terms, anything which doesn't contribute to the reproduction of the species for an innate reason (inability to desire productive mating for a genetic reason being one example) is an error, an evolutionary dead end. We're not a hive species where there's a huge population of what are basically worker clones who all contribute to the welfare of one reproducing queen. With a relatively low-pop species that invests a HUGE amount of effort in relatively small numbers of young, there is something wrong from an evolutionary standpoint with an individual who can't naturally do what the unit is supposed to--grow up to mate with the opposite gender and produce more offspring. Modern technology gives US a way around that, obviously, but it's not something that would be particularly good in a tech-free setting except possibly as a means of population control, or creating someone who could act, sort of, as a free child-minder, another body to take care of the offspring, possibly because of kingroup altruism. So it's a malfunction. Not a significantly negative one, but an error nonetheless.

Which even if it is true still doesn't explain lesbianism. It can't be testosterone during fetal development because that should make the fetus male. Though I can't quite see it being a matter of choice while male homosexuality is genetic, partially because that doesn't seem logical and partially because I can't see why anyone would chose a female partner over a male. (As a heterosexual female, I can see where gay men are coming from. Men are nice. Can sorta understand why straight men put up with us, can't see where lebsians are coming from at all.)
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Ah, but without males, females are useless as in higher-order mammals they can't change sex or reproduce asexually. In strict evolutionary terms, anything which doesn't contribute to the reproduction of the species for an innate reason (inability to desire productive mating for a genetic reason being one example) is an error, an evolutionary dead end. We're not a hive species where there's a huge population of what are basically worker clones who all contribute to the welfare of one reproducing queen. With a relatively low-pop species that invests a HUGE amount of effort in relatively small numbers of young, there is something wrong from an evolutionary standpoint with an individual who can't naturally do what the unit is supposed to--grow up to mate with the opposite gender and produce more offspring. Modern technology gives US a way around that, obviously, but it's not something that would be particularly good in a tech-free setting except possibly as a means of population control, or creating someone who could act, sort of, as a free child-minder, another body to take care of the offspring, possibly because of kingroup altruism. So it's a malfunction. Not a significantly negative one, but an error nonetheless.

Which even if it is true still doesn't explain lesbianism. It can't be testosterone during fetal development because that should make the fetus male. Though I can't quite see it being a matter of choice while male homosexuality is genetic, partially because that doesn't seem logical and partially because I can't see why anyone would chose a female partner over a male. (As a heterosexual female, I can see where gay men are coming from. Men are nice. Can sorta understand why straight men put up with us, can't see where lebsians are coming from at all.)
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