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Old Mar 21 2006, 03:26 PM   #1
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ok, just a continuation of the stuff from Do Errors bother youy?

Do firelizards and weyrs eat thread or flame it?
What do you think?

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Old Mar 21 2006, 03:43 PM   #2
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Edith:

I LOVE the title

But I'm on a conference call now and shouldn't even be looking here. (You can tell what I find interesting!)

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Old Mar 21 2006, 03:43 PM   #3
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Flame

I think the corrosive property of thread is chemical, hence the use of water. It dilutes thread and makes it safe to eat. Fishies eat it.
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oooh... could watchweyrs and firelizards have corrosive saliva?
could explain things!
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oooh... could watchweyrs and firelizards have corrosive saliva?
could explain things!
Anything is possible.

It should also be remembered that there is more then one type of Thread. Is it possible that one is safe to eat, whilst the other needs to be flamed?
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Anything is possible.

It should also be remembered that there is more then one type of Thread. Is it possible that one is safe to eat, whilst the other needs to be flamed?
Wouldn't that be a bit like Russian roulette?

Flame.
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Old Mar 21 2006, 04:13 PM   #7
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what interests me is that phosphine is deadly to people at least.
that's one thing I mentally change to something similar but slightly less deadly!
I was just postulating.
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Wouldn't that be a bit like Russian roulette?

Flame.
Only if you assume that Fire-lizards and whers have no way of telling them apart. We know that fire-lizards ignor some of the burrowing type of thread.
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I was just postulating.
Postulate away, it's all theory anyway - we'll never be able to prove anything anyway!
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nah, that's what makes it fun!
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nah, that's what makes it fun!
My dear girl you win the award for totally understanding how this should be done. It's all make believe after all!

Now if only we had an award.

And a way to get it to you.

Let me ponder that one...

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that's how stuff like physics works- or the ideas behind it.
it's all thought experiments and what if we...
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that's how stuff like physics works- or the ideas behind it.
it's all thought experiments and what if we...
And of course, as we don't have any thread handy (either type) or a dragon, fire-lizard or watch-wher - we can never actually prove one thing or another. The best type of experiment - the one where no one can be wrong
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yep!
some of the best sci-fi is a thought experiment.
Asimov's I robot or The Gods themselves are good examples of that, the positronic brain, and swapping the weak and strong nuclear forces!

Its a wonderful way to think!
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yep!
some of the best sci-fi is a thought experiment.
Asimov's I robot or The Gods themselves are good examples of that, the positronic brain, and swapping the weak and strong nuclear forces!

Its a wonderful way to think!
Absolutly!
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I solidly believe that thread cannot be eaten (at least in the sense of eating to as a defense) unless it is dead. I think firelizards or whers really eating it is pure hogwash.

In the case of different types of thread... yes, it's possible some are harmless, but even if they could tell the difference, what's the point of eating those when it's the dangerous ones that need to be destroyed? Besides, Todd makes it clear that they DROWN the thread with saliva, making no mention of eating harmless Threads. That is bologne. With different types of Thread, in the order of how numerous they are, I'd guess it would be -

1) Dangerous Thread that devours everything and eats itself to death.

2) Even more dangerous Thread that are able to make it to the burrowing stage and propogate (though this may have to do with certain nutrients it eats, rather than being a different type)

3) And least of all, harmless thread.

MOST of them are dangerous, and it's preposterous to think that firelizards and whers would be able to eat their way through an entire Fall, assuming that they were physically capable of consuming it mid-air in the first place. Flame it all and be done with it.
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Only if you assume that Fire-lizards and whers have no way of telling them apart. We know that fire-lizards ignor some of the burrowing type of thread.
Would you be able to provide a quote for that, please? I don't remember that part.
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Another vote for flaming thread here!
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Here's an entirely different hypothesis: thread is dangerous not because it burns but because it... sucks! It sucks up living things, which makes it dangerous. like blotting paper does water. And it becomes bloated not drown, and can't suck up anything more. They're big, albeit evil, sponges.

So hooray for the big, evil, sucky sponges!
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I agree Ghyle, I've never pictured it as burning really, I thought that was more of a description of "searing pain" rather than physically being HOT. Of course, it would pick up friction heat on entry with the atmosphere, but once its shell cracks open, its entrails would flutter down to the surace, rather than plummet and get hot. If it plumeted like that, it just might burn itself up and dragons would be pointless! Thread doesn't BURN into flesh or plants, it eats through it. As for the hissing when it hits the water, that may be some kind of chemical reaction rather than its temperature.
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I've always pictured threadscore as something along the lines of an acid burn
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Would you be able to provide a quote for that, please? I don't remember that part.
The reference is from Dragonsdawn, and refers to a fall where Sean and Sorka and there fire-lizards help out.

There are multiple references in All The Weyrs of Pern to the fact that there are two types of thread, but the colonists never had a chance to study the second type, so only know that it likes to burrow.
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I solidly believe that thread cannot be eaten (at least in the sense of eating to as a defense) unless it is dead. I think firelizards or whers really eating it is pure hogwash.

In the case of different types of thread... yes, it's possible some are harmless, but even if they could tell the difference, what's the point of eating those when it's the dangerous ones that need to be destroyed? Besides, Todd makes it clear that they DROWN the thread with saliva, making no mention of eating harmless Threads. That is bologne. With different types of Thread, in the order of how numerous they are, I'd guess it would be -

1) Dangerous Thread that devours everything and eats itself to death.

2) Even more dangerous Thread that are able to make it to the burrowing stage and propogate (though this may have to do with certain nutrients it eats, rather than being a different type)

3) And least of all, harmless thread.

MOST of them are dangerous, and it's preposterous to think that firelizards and whers would be able to eat their way through an entire Fall, assuming that they were physically capable of consuming it mid-air in the first place. Flame it all and be done with it.
Given the complete alien nature of the fire-lizards, drgaons and whers could we be missing something?
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I've always pictured threadscore as something along the lines of an acid burn
There are references to thread "glowing" when it falls. It seems more then reasonable that some heat would be involved (air friction and the like).

I say thread score is more a burn, and with nature of thread taken into account it probubly manages to injest something of the person it hits - hence the fact that "threadscore nevers heals properly" (ref: Dragonsong).
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They're big, albeit evil, sponges.

So hooray for the big, evil, sucky sponges!
I knew it. Sponge Bod Square Pants is evil....
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Only if you assume that Fire-lizards and whers have no way of telling them apart. We know that fire-lizards ignor some of the burrowing type of thread.
To be honest, I've never met Jayru, but I've said the exact same thing
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Sponge Bob, and his friend Patrick, EVIL, my grand-children will be so surprised to hear that. Perhaps Squidworth, but not Sponge Bob !!!

I also think that thread is more of a acid burn, but the sucking up of anything eddible is fasinating to think of, Ghyle.
It would make a lot of sence with some of the writing. Some of them, suck up everything, and other only certian properties or elements.

Good way of playing with the book, what if's...........I like it Edi. It lets your mind open up wide to all of the possiblities, and ideas.
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Hiya. This is the first time I've posted, though I've been lurking for a little while. I love these discussions; I have to admit, it only occurred to me recently to look online for Pern discussion groups.

I actually found the concept of fire lizards and watch-whers eating thread a bit easier to swallow [I]before[I] Todd's explanation. I just sort of figured, Ok so if they can eat thread, the dragons must be able to too... they just wouldn't sink that low. I wasn't thrilled with it, but left it at that. But I was appalled when I read the "drowning thread in saliva" explanation. Then I started laughing. I really hope he takes that back and comes up with something a little better. Fast.

I did like Dragon's Kin, though, and I only had a couple problems with Dragonsblood-- there's probably another thread around here for that, though.

I always got the impression that thread is heated as it falls, and does burn what it touches, but that's not where the major damage occurs. I always pictured the serious destruction and injury occuring when the thread really gets ahold of something-- at which point it actually ingests the organic material. Off the top of my head, I remember Dragonquest, in particular, often mentioned plants in the Southern Continent being burned ("pierced leaves... smoking holes were left...") But no burrows, of course, the grubs ate 'em up.

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I solidly believe that thread cannot be eaten (at least in the sense of eating to as a defense) unless it is dead. I think firelizards or whers really eating it is pure hogwash.

In the case of different types of thread... yes, it's possible some are harmless, but even if they could tell the difference, what's the point of eating those when it's the dangerous ones that need to be destroyed? Besides, Todd makes it clear that they DROWN the thread with saliva, making no mention of eating harmless Threads. That is bologne. With different types of Thread, in the order of how numerous they are, I'd guess it would be -

1) Dangerous Thread that devours everything and eats itself to death.

2) Even more dangerous Thread that are able to make it to the burrowing stage and propogate (though this may have to do with certain nutrients it eats, rather than being a different type)

3) And least of all, harmless thread.

MOST of them are dangerous, and it's preposterous to think that firelizards and whers would be able to eat their way through an entire Fall, assuming that they were physically capable of consuming it mid-air in the first place. Flame it all and be done with it.
I had addressed all those points in past posts about the oviod organs.

Assuming the oviod's organs are ribbonlike as a result of evolution's push to pack them all in a body incapable of bending, things like reproductive organs, circulatory organs, central nervous system all may equally resemble the oviod's digestive organs to us Terrans, especially without us having the necessary senses to distinguish them apart.

Why do dragons and their riders flame everything if the unenhanced natives don't? Look again at the "enhancements" Ping did to them. She reduced their ability to have a collective memory in order to boost communication and reasoning skills so that they could better interact with thier riders. What little memories dragons do have probably come from the rider-half of the pair--and how many riders even suspect that some thread might not be harmful? Not a single rider!

Otoh, unenhanced natives and whers are less dependent upon their human caretakers and communicate more with each other--they could get the needed info and remember to pay attention when it comes time to rise against the thread.

Why would or should fire-lizards bother? Why not just flame everything that falls, same as the dragons?

First of all, the unenhanced natives have been doing it for thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of years before Kitt Ping ever showed up, so they would have had time to learn.

Second, the dragons are bigger--they store their energy for longer periods between eating (a week or so vs every day). In combat, there's a lot of energy you're burning up...and in a much smaller body, the unenhanced natives and whers burn up energy MUCH faster than a 25-50' dragon would. They would NEED a quick source to replenish their stores. If the natives could find some thread that was edible and wouldn't eat them in turn, that'd be the perfect source to eat-on-the-fly while they're trying to burn away the digestive organs mixed in among the other stuff.

And third, as has been mentioned, Dragons wouldn't know there is a difference among thread because their riders CAN'T.

And please stop blaming every inconsistancy on Todd, okay? Todd's not much more than a fan, just like any of us. He's just privledged to be authorized to publish his fan-fiction. He's got his theories, which may or may not jive with the notes Anne made. His are probably no more or less consistant with those notes than anyone else here, mine, yours, or Jayru's included. Just how much he's actually read of them, who knows? Even Anne occassionally wrote stuff that contradicted notes she previously made about Pern and her other worlds.

At least we all here (yes, you included) have been using logic based upon the available data. But you have to recognize that OUR data is INCOMPLETE.

My theory has always tried to take into account that potential unknown element--not dismiss the idea by assuming Anne was senile when she wrote what Kylara saw. Senility usually strikes later in life, and while her later publications might support that assumption, Jayru's and my ideas at least fit the observations from the earlier publications. Ours match the facts based on the idea that "if facts don't match the theory, then maybe, just maybe, it's the theory that's wrong"
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never thought of that being a side effect of metasynth.
It sadly makes alot of sense. Humans panic, and when they do their instinct is to destroy anything resembling the deadly item.
It would also match up with the circles of new growth, though it'd be more sensible to have circles of old growth with areas of wide growth. If your collective memory tells you that things will grow back and thread dies after a few hours, (on a side point- it is interesting to note that very little thread research was done beyond the 1 specimin) you know that you can leave areas without too much fear, also saving energy.
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Unfortuneately, I posted the following in the thread on errors before I saw this. So I'll repeat it here since its more specific to this discussion:

My impression had always been, at least after reading the end of DQ, was that the fire lizards ate burrowed thread, not falling thread. If you recall the final scene of the book, when thread finished raining down unchecked on Asgenar's grubbed slope of hardwood trees, a fire lizard swoops down and pokes its nose into a "still smoking hole of the nearest thread entry" and finds nothing. I had also thought one of the books actually had a scene of a fire lizard eating burrowed thread (was it in the Harper Hall series, or is it just my imagination?). I can see this being possible, as Dragonsdawn indicates that burrowed thread is very different from airborne thread. Of course, that doesn't vindicate Todd's theories, since it seems clear the whers eat thread in the sky.
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Ours match the facts based on the idea that "if facts don't match the theory, then maybe, just maybe, it's the theory that's wrong"
Absolutly Ryuu, which is why it's worth exploring all the ideas. We simply don't have enough information about what Thread is, or the nature of fire-lizards, whers or for that matter dragons. What we know wouldn't fill a book. What we don't know would fill volumes.

Unfortunally that means we are going to have to make educated guesses - and worse assumptions.

So Flame or eat? I say Both.
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1) Dangerous Thread that devours everything and eats itself to death.

2) Even more dangerous Thread that are able to make it to the burrowing stage and propogate (though this may have to do with certain nutrients it eats, rather than being a different type)

3) And least of all, harmless thread.

MOST of them are dangerous, and it's preposterous to think that firelizards and whers would be able to eat their way through an entire Fall, assuming that they were physically capable of consuming it mid-air in the first place. Flame it all and be done with it.
If the majority of thread was dangerous, then shouldn't the destruction of the vegetation have been much more widespread than what was reported in the PERN Survey? Even with the planet full of fire-lizards to fight off Falls before humans arrived--and espicially up north, where fire-lizard populations are naturally smaller due to the cold weather! Nothing should have remained of the North except around what would become South Bol and Nerat!!
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If the majority of thread was dangerous, then shouldn't the destruction of the vegetation have been much more widespread than what was reported in the PERN Survey? Even with the planet full of fire-lizards to fight off Falls before humans arrived--and espicially up north, where fire-lizard populations are naturally smaller due to the cold weather! Nothing should have remained of the North except around what would become South Bol and Nerat!!
No, because most of the Thread just gorges itself to death. Eventually the only breedable Thread will be stuck in already-devoured areas. That's how a thread burrow would end.
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That would make sence, it eats all of its surrounding area until nothing is left, and then dies of starvation. With a thread's circle of devoured vegetation eaten down to sterile earth. That would be all that is left, to see.
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Yes, otherwise when people first went to Pern, it would have been as dead as the Red Star/Planet
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The problem is, the books are not clear on just what burrowed thread is. Airborne thread is limited in how much it can eat. In the first books, burrowed thread seemed to be the implied danger. Burrowed thread is said to spread rapidly, destroying everything it touches. Supposedly a thread single thread burrow would destroy all vegetation around it, being contained only by reaching water, rock, or desert. However, as far as I know, no burrowed thread was left unchecked.

In Dragonsdawn, alot of thread burrowed. The characters claimed this started a new life cycle, but they did not know what that cycle was, and never had the chance to analyze it. It did not seem to spread anywhere. My impression, and perhaps I'm wrong, is that they could not have dealt with all the burrows from the First Fall, yet the book describes scenes of furrows of dead land, with greenery around them, as if only the land the thread actually fell upon was devoid of life. So, what a thread burrow becomes, and what it does, is still a mystery as far as I know.

Given that the planet regenerated itself after threadfall even before humans came, it always seemed to me that large areas of the planet never had thread fall on them at all during a particular Pass.
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I had addressed all those points in past posts about the oviod organs.

Assuming the oviod's organs are ribbonlike as a result of evolution's push to pack them all in a body incapable of bending, things like reproductive organs, circulatory organs, central nervous system all may equally resemble the oviod's digestive organs to us Terrans, especially without us having the necessary senses to distinguish them apart.

Why do dragons and their riders flame everything if the unenhanced natives don't? Look again at the "enhancements" Ping did to them. She reduced their ability to have a collective memory in order to boost communication and reasoning skills so that they could better interact with thier riders. What little memories dragons do have probably come from the rider-half of the pair--and how many riders even suspect that some thread might not be harmful? Not a single rider!

Otoh, unenhanced natives and whers are less dependent upon their human caretakers and communicate more with each other--they could get the needed info and remember to pay attention when it comes time to rise against the thread.

Why would or should fire-lizards bother? Why not just flame everything that falls, same as the dragons?

First of all, the unenhanced natives have been doing it for thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of years before Kitt Ping ever showed up, so they would have had time to learn.

Second, the dragons are bigger--they store their energy for longer periods between eating (a week or so vs every day). In combat, there's a lot of energy you're burning up...and in a much smaller body, the unenhanced natives and whers burn up energy MUCH faster than a 25-50' dragon would. They would NEED a quick source to replenish their stores. If the natives could find some thread that was edible and wouldn't eat them in turn, that'd be the perfect source to eat-on-the-fly while they're trying to burn away the digestive organs mixed in among the other stuff.

And third, as has been mentioned, Dragons wouldn't know there is a difference among thread because their riders CAN'T.

And please stop blaming every inconsistancy on Todd, okay? Todd's not much more than a fan, just like any of us. He's just privledged to be authorized to publish his fan-fiction. He's got his theories, which may or may not jive with the notes Anne made. His are probably no more or less consistant with those notes than anyone else here, mine, yours, or Jayru's included. Just how much he's actually read of them, who knows? Even Anne occassionally wrote stuff that contradicted notes she previously made about Pern and her other worlds.

At least we all here (yes, you included) have been using logic based upon the available data. But you have to recognize that OUR data is INCOMPLETE.

My theory has always tried to take into account that potential unknown element--not dismiss the idea by assuming Anne was senile when she wrote what Kylara saw. Senility usually strikes later in life, and while her later publications might support that assumption, Jayru's and my ideas at least fit the observations from the earlier publications. Ours match the facts based on the idea that "if facts don't match the theory, then maybe, just maybe, it's the theory that's wrong"
THAT makes complete sense But that's using thread as an advantage to fight the rest for longer, not eating ALL the Thread as a defense. I'm amazed that dragons are able to destroy an entire Fall even with huge gouts of FLAME. I won't start on firelizards eating their way through a fall, as it's obvious flame is their primary weapon. Todd just assumes queens firelizards can't flame so they have to eat them. But WHERS need to eat it all. How many whers are there on Pern? Not nearly as numerous as dragons I don't think. Even if every wher on Pern fought it when it fell at night, how could they eat every single one? Granted, the threads would be warmer than the night air and would be easy to see with their heat vision, but how are they able to contain all that matter within themselves without bursting? No time to chew.

Ok, let's assume they can, the first Pass dragons made it through on VERY few numbers. Now onto the real boggling part. How big is a wher's mouth? 2 feet long at most? How is a wher able to hold enough saliva in its mouth at all times to drown thread? As soon as it opens its mouth, it'll all gush out. Thread doesn't drown instantly, so it would need to have a HUGE containment area and completely full of saliva to ensure that it completely drowns before its able to touch any flesh, even though it writhes and twists all over the place. And that's assuming it's somehow able to collect the entire strand in its mouth neatly, despite its being LONG and waving and whipping in the air. It can't suck it in without touching flesh.

Now let's say that by some miracle it IS able to provide enough saliva to drown it and avoid its touch. How the bloody hell is a wher able to produce enough saliva time after time to drown it?! It'd use its entire body weight's worth of saliva to last through a Fall, and I'm quite sure that's absolutely impossible. Even if they could take breaks to gulp down water, I'd find it unlikely (and then that creates more of a problem, if its stomack is full of water, how can it eat more Thread?)

It's just that nearly every factor is against this theory, I really don't understand why it is supported I do have problems with Todd's consistancy with Anne's writing, but those are NOTHING compared to the logistical problems with eating thread as he describes it. It just Will. Not. Work. I don't understand how that could have made it any further than a fleeting idea.
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While I'm not defending the silly "drowning it in saliva" explanation Todd gave, the book does explicitely say that night Falls are very light. Presumably, the situation is more analogous to the work the Queen's Wing usually has to do, than what the fighting dragons normally have to deal with (of course, there is no logical reason for a night fall to be any different than a day one).
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