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Old Apr 17 2010, 04:18 PM   #1
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Hi, I'm new here, so hope this isn't a repeat. I've spent the last couple of hours researching this question and my eyes are starting to tear up.

Somewhere, I got the idea in my head that F'lar could be a little 'flirtatious' sometimes, even around Lessa, maybe to tease Lessa? Am I imagining this? Or dreaming?

Not that he was ever unfaithful! I never got that impression.

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Old Apr 17 2010, 07:29 PM   #2
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Hi, Dreamin! Welcome to the forum.

The only thing I can think of that you might be referring to is during the first fall of the ninth pass, Lessa sees Kylara tending to F'lar's injury. Later, after the fall, Lessa is showing her jealousy and F'lar teases her about it a bit. This leads to the idea to send Kylara and other dragons and riders to the southern continent and back 10 turns to mature. This was in Dragonflight.
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OK, maybe I'm remembering some other bronze rider - his father maybe? Oh well. Thank you for your answer!

I did also get the impression that most bronze riders could be quite flirtateous - kind of a cocky Top Gun pilot thing?
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Yes, I think that's probably true. I always think that B'lerion in Moreta is a good example of a typical bronze rider. Given the way relationships tend to be in the Weyr, riders don't often stay with one partner, so it isn't really surprising they tend to be flirtatious.
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F'lessan was very popular with the girls in his early days.
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I can't quote anything off hand but I got the impression that F'lar "had his fun" until his bronze flew Ramoth. After that, I think the dragons created such a strong bond with each other that neither of their riders really considered going outside it.
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I can't quote anything off hand but I got the impression that F'lar "had his fun" until his bronze flew Ramoth. After that, I think the dragons created such a strong bond with each other that neither of their riders really considered going outside it.
I got that impression as well.
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He had a certain pride in his skill, and he was in a position to persevere.
This is a line from DF after Ramoth's first mating flight, and on the morning when F'lar wanted to teach Lessa and Ramoth to fly between, when he thinks about how Lessa isn't responding to his lovemaking.
It sure sound like he had some... experience before Lessa came along.
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Does this help?

DF on.:

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F'lar maintained an expression of polite interest. He knew perfectly well that Lessa suspected the child was his, and it could have been, he admitted privately, but he doubted it. Kylara had been one of the ten candidates from the same Search three years ago which had discovered Lessa. Like others who survived Impression, Kylara had found certain aspects of Weyr life exactly suited to her temperament. She had gone from one rider's weyr to another's. She had even seduced F'lar not at all against his will, to be sure. Now that he was Weyrleader, he found it wiser to ignore her efforts to continue the relationship. T'bor had taken her in hand and had had his hands full until he retired her to the Lower Caverns, well advanced in pregnancy.
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I think in People of Pern, it mentions that F'lessan is not F'lar's only child... and somewhere in Skies I seem to remember about a woman (perhaps one of the Jr. Queenriders at High Reaches) who was attractive enough to "rate a long look from F'lar."
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I think in People of Pern, it mentions that F'lessan is not F'lar's only child... and somewhere in Skies I seem to remember about a woman (perhaps one of the Jr. Queenriders at High Reaches) who was attractive enough to "rate a long look from F'lar."
Maybe he did have some other children and women before Lessa came, and some time after her, until she accepted him. But after that, I don't think so.
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Same here, Talisath. He was after all about a decade older and had been a rider a long time. Doubt he was sitting aorund waiting for her to come along.,
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Maybe he did have some other children and women before Lessa came, and some time after her, until she accepted him. But after that, I don't think so.
Oh he certainly didn't have any others with Lessa, and given the bond between Ramoth and Mnementh/F'lar and Lessa, I'd say it goes without saying that he never chased any other females, 'Riders or otherwise.

I think it's safe to say that, while he may have made the rounds before Lessa, she definitely tied him down pretty tightly... (which he may well have enjoyed who knows...)
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Same here, Talisath. He was after all about a decade older and had been a rider a long time. Doubt he was sitting aorund waiting for her to come along.,
Though I admit, it does make me curious to think how many other children he might have had, and did they end up as 'Riders... Wonder if he has any cute sons my age?
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Given that F'lar was a dragonrider for 10 Turns before Lessa Impressed Ramoth, and waited another couple for Ramoth to mature sexually, I'm sure he had plenty of adventures among the women of the Weyr (I get the impression that dragonriders were barely tolerated in the Holds in the late 8th Interval) and some outside the Weyr I shouldn't wonder. And let's not forget the male greenriders, Ramoth wasn't the first dragon Mnementh ever flew. F'lar strikes me very much as a "the dragon decides, the rider complies" kinda guy.
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Given that F'lar was a dragonrider for 10 Turns before Lessa Impressed Ramoth, and waited another couple for Ramoth to mature sexually, I'm sure he had plenty of adventures among the women of the Weyr (I get the impression that dragonriders were barely tolerated in the Holds in the late 8th Interval) and some outside the Weyr I shouldn't wonder. And let's not forget the male greenriders, Ramoth wasn't the first dragon Mnementh ever flew. F'lar strikes me very much as a "the dragon decides, the rider complies" kinda guy.
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He was after all about a decade older and had been a rider a long time. Doubt he was sitting aorund waiting for her to come along.,
My thoughts exactly. And Mnementh grew up to be the biggest bronze ever, so I doubt he had any trouble caching a green during her mating flight.

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Oh he certainly didn't have any others with Lessa, and given the bond between Ramoth and Mnementh/F'lar and Lessa, I'd say it goes without saying that he never chased any other females, 'Riders or otherwise.

I think it's safe to say that, while he may have made the rounds before Lessa, she definitely tied him down pretty tightly... (which he may well have enjoyed who knows...)
I'd like to believe that he never went for another women after Lessa, or, let's say, he didn't want any women except Lessa, but liked to make Lessa jelous by looking and in a way flirting with other women (like with Kylara after the laying of Ramoth's first cluth I always laugh at that point in the book).

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Though I admit, it does make me curious to think how many other children he might have had, and did they end up as 'Riders... Wonder if he has any cute sons my age?
Yeah, it would be nice to know just how good was he around and with women. Maybe someone should write a fanfic about it.
Hmmm... that gives me an idea...
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If you've got an idea, I say go for it! <G>
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If you've got an idea, I say go for it! <G>
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Of course, that's easier sad than done. I'll have to think about the point to the whole story.
And sorry, everyone, we've jumped out of topic a little bit here.
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It sure sound like he had some... experience before Lessa came along.

Of course he had some experience--I don't think he'd been neutered or something! As one of my grandmother's used to say, "I'll never be too old to look!" F'lar has eyes, ya know; and pretty ones at that. So, of course he looks, and of course he has experience. Personally, I think that he deserves some credit for being able to resist all that.

I bet at 19, or 29, or 35 (or 63) he was a real looker. Women (especially the less-than-honorable set) are probably just throwing themselves at him, 'cause he's a catch! Looks AND high rank, imagine that.

But F'lar made a decision to give up "playing around" and stick by Lessa after their dragons mated; the same one many men and women make when they get married. "They are together", as Canth would say.
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Of course he had some experience--I don't think he'd been neutered or something! As one of my grandmother's used to say, "I'll never be too old to look!" F'lar has eyes, ya know; and pretty ones at that. So, of course he looks, and of course he has experience. Personally, I think that he deserves some credit for being able to resist all that.

I bet at 19, or 29, or 35 (or 63) he was a real looker. Women (especially the less-than-honorable set) are probably just throwing themselves at him, 'cause he's a catch! Looks AND high rank, imagine that.

But F'lar made a decision to give up "playing around" and stick by Lessa after their dragons mated; the same one many men and women make when they get married. "They are together", as Canth would say.
Which is something you should really congratulate him for. In a Weyr were a long life mate is not that usual, F'lar is holding himself rather good. And yes, women are probably trowing themselves at him, for he is the Weyrleader, and, let's face it - he is a handsome man!
And I didn't meant the experience as a bad thing. Like you said, of course he has it, he grew up in a Weyr where that is totally natural, his brother is a son of a women that's not F'lar's mother, and he is a bronze rider. How old was he when he Impressed? About 10 to 12 Turns, if I remember right from MHoP, so he had planty time to practise until Lessa came.
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Fourteen Turns, actually. F'nor was the 10-11 year old.

And most of what has already been said, I agree with. Considering Weyrbred morals, the fact that Mnementh is the 'biggest one', and the fact that F'lar is apparently a highly attractive, fit bronze rider...I'd wet myself laughing if someone told me he had no experience.

Oh yeah, and there's also frequent mention of his 'amorous nature'. By Lessa, mostly, but I'd say it speaks for itself.
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Fourteen Turns, actually. F'nor was the 10-11 year old.
I thought F'nor was even younger, about 9. Well, back to my reading, it seems.

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And most of what has already been said, I agree with. Considering Weyrbred morals, the fact that Mnementh is the 'biggest one', and the fact that F'lar is apparently a highly attractive, fit bronze rider...I'd wet myself laughing if someone told me he had no experience.

Oh yeah, and there's also frequent mention of his 'amorous nature'. By Lessa, mostly, but I'd say it speaks for itself.
Oh, yeah, that too.
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