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View Poll Results: What colour is dragon dung?
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Old Jan 12 2005, 07:19 AM   #1
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What do you think: is this the most important question unanswered in the books, or is it a load of dragon pucky? You decide...
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Dragons do it between as soon as they're old enough. Dragonet pucky then? No idea!
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Old Jan 12 2005, 10:52 AM   #3
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Dragons do it between as soon as they're old enough. Dragonet pucky then? No idea!
oh, great! hasn't it been established that Anne said they do it between only due to the incessant "potty" questions at the cons???

as for the color of native spoors: Given that Terran fluids range from red to yellow and all the shades thereof--including brown and green for our waste, and since the color ranges for the natives go from gold to blue with their blood being green, I would guess that their dropping probably range through the same colors, especially if they much of their diet is a mix of Terran and Pernese fodder.
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PMD colour, of course!
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PMD, or none of the above--dragons are strict carnivornes from the moment they're hatched, and carnivore dung is going to be a dark brown (assuming dragon bile, like human bile, and dragon ichor, for that matter, is largely green/yellow), and the more red meat they consume, the darker it would be. It would probably vary from medium to very dark and compact, depending on whether they were eating more wherries or more herdbeasts of varying descriptions.
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oh, great! hasn't it been established that Anne said they do it between only due to the incessant "potty" questions at the cons??? <SNIP>
we all know that, but we all also know that dragons that haven't learned to go between yet and the dragons that are too injured to get between use it outside of between. Or we'd have some very bloated dragons on our hand (isn't it called thick tail or something?) anyway...

I agree with Anareth. But only if their bile is the same color as ours. Which Idon't know if it would be, being that they're boron based. It might be orange for all we know. The fluid from our gall bladder (bile) is a dark green in color and as it passes through the digestive system it turns wastes into the normal brown. Now, blood, which is either blue or red depending on oxygen levels, can get into the system through bleeding ulsers and will turn waste black. So I actually don't have a clue what a dragon's waste color would be. Let's just be pretty and say purple...lol just kidding...
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Old Jan 13 2005, 04:57 AM   #7
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I recall Anne getting rather bent by around the 2nd "Dragonpoo" Thread to appear on the KTBB.

The question being: Where do Dragons poo?

The Answer of course is: According to Anne; they "go between"!

Ok, I'll stop now and return you to your previously scheduled debate...

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Old Jan 13 2005, 11:30 AM   #8
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The point being--asside from the KTBB thread on planetary errosion(dragonpoo #maybe40??): Going between is going to require the dragon AND rider's full concentration to avoid being lost there!

PLUS, you've got less than 8 seconds to "do the business"--when's the last time anyone here's tried keeping a detailed picture in your mind while hanging your butt out in vacuum while dealing with a constipated load, knowing that that picture in your mind is the only thing going to keep you alive??? Talk about setting yourself up for some stress!

It's totally irresponsible for ANYONE to put themselves, their dragon, and the future of the planet at such a risk just to take a dump , especially when you've got uncounted square miles of uninhabbited mountains about the Weyrs--birds do it! let the bloody dragons do it, too!

It's already been established that infirmed or hatchling dragons too young to fly have to do inside the Weyr and requires the muck to be taken to the midden. As for the healthy dragons, they could do on the side of the mountain to help discourage people like Thella from approaching from a direction other than the authorized route
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Actually, if dragons are like most animals, they wouldn't be at risk because they wouldn't think about it--the vast majority of animals (those that aren't housebroken) don't think, they just let it go when they need to. For all we know it's a natural instinct they inherited from the firelizards, and it's just interfered with briefly by their being unable to go between without a partner.
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we I agree with Anareth. But only if their bile is the same color as ours. Which Idon't know if it would be, being that they're boron based.
THWAAAAPPPP!!!!

Dragons are CARBON based, same as the rest of life on Pern.
Boron replaces CALCIUM in much of their biochemistry, it DOESN'T replace CARBON.

Recite after the count of three: "Dragons are NOT Boron based!"

Sorry, this is my pet hate. Once a month I'll see someone state it as fact, and then draw any number of false assumptions based on it. I'm anal enough to refuse to let it slide by under the radar though. Nothing personal.


But back to the topic on hand - the colour of dragonpoo! I agree with everyone else - what goes in, must come out. Unless they're getting substantial dietary supplements, dragonpoo will be the same colour as feline-poo, dog-poo and human-poo. Not that anyone would see it often thanks to the convenience of between. Now, how badly does it smell?

Another similar question: Dragon Breath. Anyone smelt their cat's breath recently? Multiply that up to the lung capacity of a dragon... no wonder they sleep on ledges and their riders are pleased to have a side room of their own.

Is there any dragon dental hygiene? We've seen dragon healers - what about dragon dentists?
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Dogbreath smells worse, probably because of the difference in lung capacity. For the fighting dragons, this smell could either be neutralized or made even worse by the addition of firestone/phosphine. The flames form outside the muzzle rather than in the mouth, when the phosphine hits oxygen-rich air.
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THWAAAAPPPP!!!!

Dragons are CARBON based, same as the rest of life on Pern.
Boron replaces CALCIUM in much of their biochemistry, it DOESN'T replace CARBON.

Recite after the count of three: "Dragons are NOT Boron based!"

Sorry, this is my pet hate. Once a month I'll see someone state it as fact, and then draw any number of false assumptions based on it. I'm anal enough to refuse to let it slide by under the radar though. Nothing personal.

<SNIP>
sorry...

Dragons are NOT boron based! Dragons are NOT boron based! *walks off chanting the phrase*
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Old Jan 14 2005, 02:00 AM   #13
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Well, I didn't know about them doing it 'between'. So, I've learnt something new.

If we're going by animals, I've seen pure white dogs' eggs, which are bones, mainly, but I doubt that here -- from what I've read the dragons aren't bone crackers.
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Old Jan 14 2005, 07:10 AM   #14
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i rem ember that they used dragon dung to ward off felines round Honshu and all the visiting dragons contributed!
as to colour i assumed it was normal dung colour!
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It's grey (so my choice wasn't even there)
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Really, Hans? Or are you just saying that to save your reputation? Has to be, or you'd provide a quote...




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Old Jan 15 2005, 01:50 AM   #17
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Mayhaps he's seen them straining over the rose bushes, or has a special connexion with dragon butts (super glue?).
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Only Hans would know the answer to this one if anyone would
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Why would anyone want to know the answer, really? It is FAECES. nothing more, and nothing less.
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Old Jan 27 2005, 01:24 AM   #20
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You really, really, really don't want to know the answer to that one, C_ris....
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I went with the baby brown. I do remember reading that they went between to do their business but I never really thought about the color before (too many other interesting things going on ).

Another question I just thought of is do they regurgitate (sp?) what's left of the firestone between as well??

I also seem to remember it being mentioned that the weyrlings and riders of injured dragons have to clean up after their dragons while they aren't able to fly between.
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You really, really, really don't want to know the answer to that one, C_ris....

you're right. I don't!
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That depends on whether dumping a load between is an instinctive or learnt behaviour. If instinctive, then it's possible, if learnt, not. Depends where fire-lizards cr*p as well: do they do it between?

Remember when Ruth was learning to chew firestone? He vomited in his weyr.
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That depends on whether dumping a load between is an instinctive or learnt behaviour. If instinctive, then it's possible, if learnt, not. Depends where fire-lizards cr*p as well: do they do it between?

Remember when Ruth was learning to chew firestone? He vomited in his weyr.
he did that by mistake though. i think that if they do do it between then it must be instinctive. And we never hear about dragonpoo being cleared up anywhere...
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though its mentioned several times that dragon dung is used for stuff. namely in sop to deter felines. and i thought Jaxom told Ruth to leave the regugitated stuff with brown Wilths. not got TWD at uni so no way to quote.
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yes, dragons do have to regurgitate fire ash---and no...they evidently don't do that between either (Edith's right. & it's quite clearly stated in TWD where she referenced)

for all you scats that insist that Anne wasn't just giving an exasperated answer to stop the stupid poop question and was actually telling the Gospile According to Anne and that Dragons do it Between, then the answer to this question "What color is Dragon poo?" obviously is....

¡¡BLACK!!

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yes, dragons do have to regurgitate fire ash---and no...they evidently don't do that between either (Edith's right. & it's quite clearly stated in TWD where she referenced)

for all you scats that insist that Anne wasn't just giving an exasperated answer to stop the stupid poop question and was actually telling the Gospile According to Anne and that Dragons do it Between, then the answer to this question "What color is Dragon poo?" obviously is....

¡¡BLACK!!

....since there's no light between!
wrong. it would APPEAR black, but not BE black.
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wrong. it would APPEAR black, but not BE black.
no. we're both right

black

my example is definition 7 in the WordNet example...yours is definition 11
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Let me put it this way. Take a ginger cat. Nail it in a coffin. Is it black, or is it ginger? Is it a silly thing to nail a cat in a coffin? And what was that thumping noise?
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and is the cat alive?
and to open the box would affect the results!

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And if Dragonpoo was ginger, it's gona BURN!!! when it comes out!! maybe that's why they go between....
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Now if they do doing it when they are between....when do they keep tha loo roll and do they have to wipe with frozen paper???
I think we should be told!!!!!
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but you can't feel anything between-you couldn't tell and it couldn't hurt!
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wouldn't be able to tell if you're wiping the right spot, wiping at all, or even if you had the TP in your hand.... *ehyu!*
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I've been thinking on this (Always a dangerous thing for me to do!)
Would the ingestation of firestone have an effect on the colour of the poo poo.........YES I know that they regurgitate the ashes but some of the resulting gas may pass into their systems, they have to be careful when learning to flame, so maybe it means that this does'nt happen?
Is this really strange having a serious discussion on what may effect the colour of dragon poo..........or is it just me!
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I've been thinking on this (Always a dangerous thing for me to do!)
Would the ingestation of firestone have an effect on the colour of the poo poo.........YES I know that they regurgitate the ashes but some of the resulting gas may pass into their systems, they have to be careful when learning to flame, so maybe it means that this does'nt happen?
Is this really strange having a serious discussion on what may effect the colour of dragon poo..........or is it just me!
but they have two stomachs... one for the firestone and a separate one for food.
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That just doubles the risk of something 'going down' the wrong way!!!!
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Since they have to "think" of their "other" stomach whilst chewing firestone, does this mean that, unlike defecation, the activity's nature is no longer as seemingly instinctive, as it seems to be in fire lizards?

This has ramifications for defecation. Since dragons are, like us, sentient, then presumably they can hold on until they're between, and, therefore, there is a measure of thought in the whole process.
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In dragonsinger there is a bit where the dragons arrive at Piemur complains about having just cleared up the field because of the runner beasts from the gather and Menolly says

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Which, Edith, helps support the thesis that dragons dump their loads between: dragons are not runner beasts because they don't stand ankle deep in their own poo. They're neater, less unfastidious about where they cr*p.
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