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Old Nov 29 2004, 06:09 PM   #1
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I've just been thinking. My 13yr old brother has been devouring the few Terry Pratchett books I left at home and has been promised the loan of the rest over the holiday.
Do you think hes old enough for Anne McCaffrey? I've only got pern and brainship books though. I couldn't lend them to his twin-he's not as fluent and slightly less mature-despite being identical!
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Old Nov 29 2004, 06:13 PM   #2
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I think 13 is plenty old enough for Pern! May even be old enough for the Brainships, but I'd personally wait until he's 15 for those.
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Old Nov 29 2004, 06:22 PM   #3
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Sure he's old enough, though like AnnMarie said, probably wait on the Brainship books.



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offer them to him, and he will read them if he wants to. if he doesn't then wait until he is older.

just give him the oppurtunity.
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Old Nov 29 2004, 06:27 PM   #5
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I will. He tried to poke his nose in when I first started reading them but I said no. I also remember him trying to read Hitchhikers guide in the summer.
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Yay! Edith is converting a new person to be a Pern fan!
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Old Nov 29 2004, 07:14 PM   #7
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i've tried coverting my younger brother... but he only reads sport books.

and he barely reads anything!
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I don't see why 13 is too young to read Pern. I was younger when I started, but then I have always had a high reading level.

You may like to risk it, and offer The White Dragon first, to start with, given the male protagonist.
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I was about that age when I started reading Pern. I had tried at an earler age and it didn't quite gel the first time around. If he doesn't like it now he may "Rediscover" it later on
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I'd say Pern is something for all ages. And what little so-called "mature" material exists is presented very tastefully by Anne. Unless your 13yr old brother is in isolation from the rest of the planet, there's very little that he hasn't already heard that's probably been presented to him in a worse way.

also, I agree with ghyle about TWD might perk his interest.
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Sure, why not? I was ten when I first read Moreta. Of course, I was ten when I first read "Clan of the Cave Bear", too, so I might be a bad one to judge...my parents were fairly relaxed about my reading anything they've read (though I was supposed to wait on Cave Bear's sequels. Not so much out of concern they'd corrupt me, I suspect, but because that bit would be over my head, which it was.)
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I'd agree with the others that have suggested that The White Dragon is probably the best book to hook him with!
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TWD, if he's really into dragons already. If not, you might try him with the HHall books (for 12 and over), especially DragonDrums, which also has a male protagonist in Piemur.
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Old Nov 30 2004, 06:33 AM   #14
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I've tried to get my son interested in reading the Pern books. He reads everything he can get his hands on but after reading the back covers of a few, proclaimed them "boring" and won't even try one! If I could just toothpick his eyes open and get him to read one, he'd be hooked, but I can't, and he won't.
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I've tried to get my son interested in reading the Pern books. He reads everything he can get his hands on but after reading the back covers of a few, proclaimed them "boring" and won't even try one! If I could just toothpick his eyes open and get him to read one, he'd be hooked, but I can't, and he won't.
Have you tried to get him interested in another Anne series? Pern isn't the be-all and end-all, you know. If he gets hooked on something else, he'll try Pern soon enough I'll bet.
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Yes, granath, I actually tried with the Freedom series first, he made it half way through the first one before giving up. He reads alot of suspense type books, I guess science fiction/fantasy just isn't what interests him. Shame that I can't share these wonderful books with him.
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Lisa,

try keeping him from reading any

When Todd's new book comes out, make a big deal about how good it is, but don't let your son even look at it (tell him it's too adult for him). Then one day "forget" to lock it up

nothing piques the interest of a kid better than the taboo
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I think 13 is plenty old enough - I was 11 when I read the Pern series. Although I don't know if I should be the one to go by - I was ten when I read The Horse Whisperer, and if you've read that, you know the content!
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Lisa,

try keeping him from reading any

When Todd's new book comes out, make a big deal about how good it is, but don't let your son even look at it (tell him it's too adult for him). Then one day "forget" to lock it up

nothing piques the interest of a kid better than the taboo

Ryuu, you are sneaky, evil, devious....

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oh yes...
talked to mum on phone and shes not sure he's old enough, though i dont think she realises just how much he reads Pratchett, she still thinks hes at the horrible history stage! I told her he'd manage to decimate the 1/2 dozen Pratchett I sauid he could borrow in a month or so-hes reading interesting times-which he borrowed from the library as well. I wasnt told he couldnt though.
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Yes, granath, I actually tried with the Freedom series first, he made it half way through the first one before giving up. He reads alot of suspense type books, I guess science fiction/fantasy just isn't what interests him. Shame that I can't share these wonderful books with him.
It's great that he's reading, that is so excellent to hear!

What you can do, is introduce him to the hardboiled detective genre, such as Raymond Chandler, Ross Macdonald, et al., then get him into more general types of mysteries, such as Bill Pronzini and the like.

Then, get him introduced to works like Jack Vance's "The Augmented Agent", or The Galactic Effectuator -- or maybe also cyberpunk -- William Gibson is a good starting point, as is William Carlos Williams and Bruce Sterling.

The main thing is to encourage the diversity, by showing examples of how the different genres interact.

So you may want to introduce him to Crime and Punishment or The First Circle by emphasising the genre aspects, crime and thriller respectively.

But the main thing is to celebrate the fact that he's reading; he may be going through a phase of concentrating on one genre, before going to another, as I have done in the past.
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Yes, Ghyle, I'm thrilled that he is reading. My oldest son wouldn't pick up a book if it hit him on the head. He seems to be resistant if I suggest a book, he loves to go to the bookstores and pick his own so I've been letting him do that instead. He really, really likes Sandra Brown and James Patterson. I figure as long as he's reading, he'll find his way. He does like to read non-fiction too. But the authors and books you suggested sound interesting, for me Cyberpunk? Never heard of that genre, what is it?
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Don't bother. Just my personal view, but it's a combination of bad science fiction, soap opera, and bad video game plots. And I gave it a try, reading the author that is apparently the king of cyberpunk, and it was the 2nd worst book I'd ever read (Gibson's Neuromancer). The first, if anyone cares, was the Red Badge of Courage. *shudders* If Neuromancer wasn't for a class, I would have not only put it down, but I might just have made a bonfire out of it.


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Hey, put it down anyway. I managed, when I was an undergrad, to get through my fantasy and sf final and get an A not only having not finished "Neuromancer" (which I found boring and silly) but "Red Mars", too. (In that case my reaction to characters was one of two things--I either did not care about them or I actively hated them and wished for their destruction. Since I prefer character-driven fiction, this was a down side for me.)
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I understand how people's reactions to books can differ from my own; I tried to make suggestions based in part upon my own knowledge, but also in part on some perceived similarities.

Your son may never enjoy Pern, but as long as he enjoys reading, and respects the decision of people to enjoy different things, that's alright, no?

I've read all of what I recommended, btw, and although I enjoyed most, with some exceptions, it wasn't uncritically.
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TWD, if he's really into dragons already. If not, you might try him with the HHall books (for 12 and over), especially DragonDrums, which also has a male protagonist in Piemur.
I agree. I started to read Pern when I was 11, devoring all three of the HH series within a few months. then moved on to the Dragonriders series. I finished the majority of the entire series before getting out of middle school (8th grade) at 13. So I'd say go for it Edith. Though if anyone objects to his reading the more 'mature' pern books at 13, I agree with Granath, start him off with DDrums because TWD does have some sexually mature scenes and suggestions in, despite the fact that Jaxom is only being a young man, it's still considered 'mature' for those who believe that pre/young teens are still innocent these days And it still has things like impression and dragons and between. DDrums does have the scene with Sebell's gold Kimi's first flight and he and Menolly get into it but it's not quite as...involved as Jaxom and Corana in TWD (especially that scene when he gets all miffed at the green flight ).
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Yes, if he's 13, an avid reader and interested in SF/fantasy Pern might be the right mix for him at this moment in time.

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Hey, put it down anyway. I managed, when I was an undergrad, to get through my fantasy and sf final and get an A not only having not finished "Neuromancer" (which I found boring and silly) but "Red Mars", too. (In that case my reaction to characters was one of two things--I either did not care about them or I actively hated them and wished for their destruction. Since I prefer character-driven fiction, this was a down side for me.)
Are you talking about "Red Mars" by Kim Stanley Robinson? He wrote a Mars triology, Red Mars Green Mars Blue Mars.
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Yes. I never bothered reading the second two, as I couldn't even finish the first one.
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I wasn't sure if you were talking about the same book. I read all 3 and even I have to admit, they were tough to get through. You didn't like it at all?
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Yes, Ghyle, I'm thrilled that he is reading. My oldest son wouldn't pick up a book if it hit him on the head. He seems to be resistant if I suggest a book, he loves to go to the bookstores and pick his own so I've been letting him do that instead. He really, really likes Sandra Brown and James Patterson. I figure as long as he's reading, he'll find his way. He does like to read non-fiction too. But the authors and books you suggested sound interesting, for me Cyberpunk? Never heard of that genre, what is it?
LisaMaria, my oldest niece (now 22) would never try any book that anyone else recomended. She once said to my mother that she had a policy to do that (I don't think she ever explained why ) She would honestly say no if you told her a book would be interesting and she might want to try reading it. I don't remember how I found out that she also loved Anne and the Pern series but now we always have something to discuss
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Not in the least. Robinson should just have done what it's patently obvious he wanted to do--write a scientific treatise on terraforming Mars, and not tried to have a plot or characters. It would have been substantially easier going. As it is, I either didn't care at all about the characters (had what I call the "butter reaction", from a Mystery Science Theater episode where the movie becomes so confused and pointless Mike throws up his hands and says "Maybe they'll all turn into butter") or outright hated them.
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Not in the least. Robinson should just have done what it's patently obvious he wanted to do--write a scientific treatise on terraforming Mars, and not tried to have a plot or characters. It would have been substantially easier going. As it is, I either didn't care at all about the characters (had what I call the "butter reaction", from a Mystery Science Theater episode where the movie becomes so confused and pointless Mike throws up his hands and says "Maybe they'll all turn into butter") or outright hated them.
Yes, I didn't like the characters or their development either. The only thing that kept me reading was the imaginary science with the terraforming of Mars. That was the most interesting parts to me, was how Robinson envisioned the scientific aspects of a terraforming project.
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LisaMaria, my oldest niece (now 22) would never try any book that anyone else recomended. She once said to my mother that she had a policy to do that (I don't think she ever explained why ) She would honestly say no if you told her a book would be interesting and she might want to try reading it. I don't remember how I found out that she also loved Anne and the Pern series but now we always have something to discuss
I can only hope that in a year or two he won't be so resitant and at least try one book that AM has written (and read the whole thing through).
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That's the fun of discussions, they tend to go off on tangents.
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