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Old Mar 20 2005, 05:54 PM   #1
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Who's your least favorite dragon, f-l, and rider?

I don't like queens in general besides Faranth and Orlith don't know why I just don't
Fire-lizard would be.......AUGHHHH! WHY AM I TORTURING MYSELF?!?!? I like 'em all!!

Riders: the catergories
Creepiest- Well, you know who it is!!
Most 'hateable'- Kylara, T'ron, that Telgar rider from MDoP, Tullea, S'nan
The ones I hate, but don't know why, I just do: Sean (just a little--he has some of that M'hall-creepiness) Jaxom (poor Ruth!! )
Teh ones I'm not really supposed to hate but do anyway: Mirrim, Brekke, Lessa, Jaxom (I guess)

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Old Mar 20 2005, 10:09 PM   #2
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How come nobody's answering?? *crickets noises* I need replies! *echo, echo, echo* Come on, folks! *owls hooting* Guys? Guys?
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perhaps there aren't any dragons people here don't like

there might be dispicable dragon riders--but no dispicable dragons
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i didnt like kylara...but i didnt mind prideth, even tho she screwed up wirenths mating flight...because she didnt really screw it up... kylara did...with lord meron(who i always pictured as whoshisface guy from LOTR...the john noble guy...ew) and im sorry, brekke pissed me off. she had no spine even before wirenth died...i'm into the stronger females, i dont identify with weaklings like brekke
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EWW! Brekke gets on my LAST nerve!!!! She's weak even BEFORE she becomes dragonless
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Dragons are not suppossed to be disliked. Some dragonriders are suoppossed to - at least at certain points - but no dragons are ever given much of a bad press. One of the reasons why Anne wrote the first short story that was to become Dragonflight was to put dragons in a good light!
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Just a note on Brekke. Weak women don't become queenriders. Many people don't like Brekke and that's perfectly understandable, but if you think she's weak, you are misinterpreting her. Like I said, weak women don't become queenriders.
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Personally I like Brekke but she should have never become a queen rider I'm sorry she lost her dragon but I don't think she should have gotten her in the first place. And I never really like Pridith I don't know why maybe it was because of Kylara butwhen I read about her there was always this thing at the back of my head that said I hate this dragon. But hey it was one less death to be sad about.
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she would've been alriught in a large weyr with a good weyrwoman who would guide her and she could nurse to her hearts content without all the pressure that was put on her. Not Bendan (Lessa wouldn't understand completely-tho unlike Kylara she would have more insight into how she might feel on the first mating flight!) but in an earlier pass perhaps. I could see her coping in Moreta's fort or in 1st pass.
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Just a note on Brekke. Weak women don't become queenriders. Many people don't like Brekke and that's perfectly understandable, but if you think she's weak, you are misinterpreting her. Like I said, weak women don't become queenriders.
i really dont think that brekke should have impressed. it would be one thiong if she had some serene earth mother quality (like piper on Charmed) but she was just this ...she seemed so small! thats it! she was small, even when a queen dragon should have given her some sense of self importance, she was so withdrawn and just obnoxiosly SMALL!!
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i really dont think that brekke should have impressed. it would be one thiong if she had some serene earth mother quality (like piper on Charmed) but she was just this ...she seemed so small! thats it! she was small, even when a queen dragon should have given her some sense of self importance, she was so withdrawn and just obnoxiosly SMALL!!
Who do you think ran Southern? It wasn't Kylara. Kylara was all for reaping benefits without any of the work or effort. Brekke had everything under control. Kylara was Weyrwoman on a technicality. Aside from her issues with mating flights, Brekke's only other big issue was not standing up to Kylara - which in their society, you didn't do. Many people say the weyrs had a militaristic caste, and that's very true. Brekke played by the rules - maybe to her fault - and the rules stated she follow her WW's orders. She couldn't stand up to her. But she knew the weyr would suffer if someone didn't do Kylara's duties (because no matter what, Kylara wasn't going to do them), so she sucked it up and did them.

And no blather (not to you, D'ana) about "oh, if Kylara had only been properly trained..." Kylara manipulated her entire world to her liking. She was "trained" as much as she would allow. It's not Lessa's fault, it's not anyone's fault. Kylara was just Kylara. Poor, poor Kylara didn't become this person after being spurned and mistreated by F'lar and Lessa - she was that way from the time she was raised and pampered by her Lord Holder daddy. Poor Ranelly is wha't I've got to say!!

By the way , as cheesy as it is, dontcha just love Charmed??
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By the way , as cheesy as it is, dontcha just love Charmed??
yes, even tho it's off topic, i do ! in my head, actually, to bring this back to topic, ive always had brekke in my head as Holly Marie Combs (piper) with that quiet reverent earth Mother-but at the same time the get your hands dirty and get those demons vanquished already quality... i love her. she's wonderful ooh, dont get me started
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What is charmed? Been wondering...
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only the most ass-kicking show to come out of the WB! it's about three witch sisters and their battles against evil...it's badass
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only the most ass-kicking show to come out of the WB! it's about three witch sisters and their battles against evil...it's badass

Only if you like Hollyweird's version of witchcraft, which I don't usually. Willow, from Buffy, wasn't a bad example of a Wiccan....as far as Hollyweird goes.
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just to save my rep, i have made a study of wiccan practices, and while willow was a more accurate depiction of witchcraft, the show is still a lot of fun to watch. i think it's badass. and i thought buffy ( the show) was teribly boring.
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I think all dragons are universally liked but if I had to pick two dragons that might be in a grey area I would have to pick beth and seventh. She and seventh did cause a duel between f'nor and t'reb.

As if any rider would turn f'nor out of his bed. I would bed f'nor in a heartbeat if I were a green rider. Or even do a 3 way with b'naj and t'reb if I where f'nor.
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All Dragons and Fire-lizards are likable with me.

However, there are riders that are quite dislikable. Kylara (Dragonquest, M'tani (Moreta), and that Telgar Weyrleader in Dragon's Kin and Dragonsblood (his name isn't even worth remembering).
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D'gan, I think? D'lin's father? Well, he deserved to die...
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D'gan, I think? D'lin's father? Well, he deserved to die...
Yeah. He's the one. He's probably the worst rider in the history of Pern.
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I do not dislike any dragon or firleizard, they're all loveable in my view! Riders... well, I like *reading* about everyone, whether they're evil or good. Some evil ones are just so fascinating to read about. But for their character, I don't like Kylara, Toric, Thella, Fax (blech! who can stand him?!), and that snotty girl in Ever the Twain. Probably some others, but can't remember
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Out of riders I'd have to say:
Freakiest: Mihall(Duh)cause he's got that creepy stalker thing going ( You'd think Torene woulda had more sense) *shudder*
Jaxom. I dunno why, his ego probably
Kylara cause she's a tarty little....*trails off* I feel sorry for Pridith.
Brekke and Tai cause they both seem to have to 'depend' on men. It makes them look really weak.
And despite the fact that I wuv F'lar he does get on my nerves sometimes..he's too perfect and smug at times and I hate it when he shakes Lessa. If I were her I woulda punched him in the face next time he tried it. *cracks fists*
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I think all dragons are universally liked but if I had to pick two dragons that might be in a grey area I would have to pick beth and seventh. She and seventh did cause a duel between f'nor and t'reb.

As if any rider would turn f'nor out of his bed. I would bed f'nor in a heartbeat if I were a green rider. Or even do a 3 way with b'naj and t'reb if I where f'nor.
I agree with the bedding F'nor..*blushs slightly* but not the 3 way with B'naj and T'reb.. I think I'd just go and find a bronze rider..mabey N'ton *dreamy eyes*
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Hated Dragons???? Must be hated riders as they are like each other. But Prideth wasn't like Kylara(sorry....just thinking. Scary.)
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I can't think of any dragon off-hand that I didn't like. Some riders are less likable than others, though. Kylara was a troublemaker all right, but it wasn't all her fault. Part of the problem is that Weyrwomen are chosen arbitrarily, and the senior WW essentially has dictatorial powers. The only one who can put her in check is the WL, but the problem with Kylara was that T'bor didn't try to do anything about her mismanagement of the Weyr either. Frankly, just about the only WW I like, of those we know relatively well, is Moreta. Also Leri, but she's no longer senior by the time we meet her.

Brekke is a quiet little woman who should have been a Holder's wife, because she had the morals of a Holder and never could come to terms with all that it means to be a WW. I think Brekke would've been great at managing a minor holding, or possibly as a Headwoman. She had the administrative capability, and people listened to her and she got things done, but she was unsuitable for riding a dragon, because she could never accept the dragonriders' dictum "the dragon decides, the rider complies".

Kylara was an egotist who only thought of herself and didn't consider the Weyr except as a means of getting the status she had been denied. Still, you have to wonder what went wrong with her family, since Thella is her sister... If she had been less egotistical in other ways, Kylara would IMO have been much more suitable as a junior queenrider than Brekke, at least she had no sexual hangups.

Lessa is in some ways quite like Kylara. She doesn't balk at anything to get what she wants, although her ends are nobler than Kylara's. Still, I would no more want to work with Lessa than I would with Kylara. Lessa saved Pern and won't let anyone forget it.
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Don't like either of them much.
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Least Favorite Dragon: C'ver's brown Hogarth
Least Favorite Riders: T'ron, T'kul, C'ver, M'tani
Least Favorite Flit: Meron's bronze
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Just because Meron's bronze had a bad impressor doens't mean he was a bad flit. He at least had some sense to leave Meron. Actually, we don't know enough about him.
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Granath, I am with you about Brekke, she would have made an excelant headwoman, but I think that she should have gone to the healer hall to be a Master Healer. That is what her obvious psychic abilities were geared to. But because her psychic talents were noticed by F'nor and Canth she was taken to the weyr to be chosed by a queen. If she had not been found on search, she would most likely been picked to go to the healer hall. I don't think that she was weak at all, she made it through so many things that would have distroyed many others.

I don't dislike any dragon or firelizard, only some of the people that were there friends.

I think that Anne's charactors had many facets to them, complex, and interesting. Even her villians were fantastic, you really love hating Avril Bitra, or Fax and Kylara was wonderfullly rotten and self absorbed. The best of Perns villians though to me was Thella, she was fantastic in her roll as a Renegade, she would have made a great pirate here on the high seas. She was just down right scary, but I didn't hate her, she was wonderful, if you didn't have the bad charactors then the rest would not look so good. Anne has written some real winners for the baddie list in a lot of her books. You love to hate them.
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Brekke was in the Farmcraft prior to search, and I doubt she would have switched from that to another craft, though she might have ended up specializing in veterinary care.
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Many people from one craft or another have changed when they seem to have a penchant for another craft. Look at what happened to Lytol, he changed three times, from Dragonrider, to Masterweaver, then to Lord Holder. Then there is Sharra, she was a Holders sister, she went into medicine. Jagye, who becomes a Holder when he started out a trader. Then Denol who starts out as a crop picker, ends up a holder. And not least but last is Meron,who was a warder, and he ends up A Lord Holder.
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Yes, but those are all people with a backbone, who could express their desire to go do something else. Brekke's too interested in pleasing other people to ever think of doing something for herself, and such a hard worker that whomever she's working with/for is unlikely to want to let her go.
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Except for when it comes to helping them heal, I think that would have gotten her to do something, not for herself but to help the weyr and others that would need her skill.
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This has nothing to do with hated firelizards but I would like to know something about Poll.
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We don't know much about Poll, except that he's bronze, and he hatched while Menolly was trying to pass the egg to "that cack-handed child" of Lord Groghe. But the egg hatched and the fire-lizard impressed to Menolly instead. Lord Groghe never blamed her though...

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It would have been wonderful if there would have been more firelizard stories. I can't think of any that I didn't like, they just wern't made like that, they were made to like.
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Even if they sometimes attack
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