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Old Feb 8 2008, 02:05 PM   #1
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I'm wondering what happened to Menolly after Dragonsong. It seems like there should be a third book in that series. Am I missing something?
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There is a third book, Dragondrums, but Menolly isn't the focal character. She's also featured as a secondary character in most of the non-Harper Hall books set in the Ninth Pass, starting with White Dragon and continuing from there.

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she's in DOP when she goes south while she's with child to teach children at the hold where her brother is masterfisherman at.
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She marries Sebel & becomes a master. Sebell become THE master harper.
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Dragondrums is mostly about Piemur, but there are a few significant scenes, particularly of her and Sebell alone on a boat during a firelizard mating flight...

I always wanted to know more about her relationship with Jaxom, because of some things in TWD.

*edit* I'm not saying she had a relationship with him - but she was supportive of his actions breaking the egg from the very beginning, and they were friendly with each other in TWD. Also, Jaxom was quite disappointed to find out about Sebell!
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<snip>I'm not saying she had a relationship with him - but she was supportive of his actions breaking the egg from the very beginning, and they were friendly with each other in TWD. Also, Jaxom was quite disappointed to find out about Sebell!
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I think Jaxom definitely had a crush on her!
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He sure seemed to be speculating about her that day on the beach!
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Wasn't there a passage where Robinton is wishing he was younger? xD When he's being taken to Southern or something?
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I do not think a Jaxom/ Menolly thing would have ever worked out. Even if Sebell & sharra had not been in the picture. I do not see Menolly ever leaving harper hall.
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Wasn't there a passage where Robinton is wishing he was younger? xD When he's being taken to Southern or something?
I think there was. In The White Dragon, I think. He and Menolly were travelling together by ship to Cove Hold.
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I think there was. In The White Dragon, I think. He and Menolly were travelling together by ship to Cove Hold.
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Yeah, but tell that to a teenage boy on his first crush! I really think Corana might have been a rebound after seeing Menolly with Sebell!
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Think you're right, Brenda.
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Menolly appears in quite a few books:
Dragonsong
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The White Dragon
Renegades of Pern (I think? Haven't read it for a while)
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I think there was. In The White Dragon, I think. He and Menolly were travelling together by ship to Cove Hold.
I thought the books made it pretty plain that Robinton and Menolly could have been lovers, but Robinton refused to do anything about it for two reasons. 1. Age 2. Teacher-Student relationship (and the fact that he felt he was like a father to her. He considered all of the Harper students his sons, so she would have been his "oldest daughter").

I seem to recall a passage where Sebell notices Menolly's attraction to Robinton, but dismisses it because he has a great affection for Robinton, also.

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I think it's in dragondrums after the firelizards mating flight.
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I rememer him thinking or say that he did not mind Menolly's affection for Robinton.
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yes she's in RoP
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In TWD Robinton also Muses that Menolly would make a decent Lady HOlder, then laer on the ship to Cove hold he does ask Menolly about Sebell, and she replies she loved him(Robinton) first. but yes, after Dragonsinger, Menolly got relegated to Supporting cast. A mention in RoP about her giving Birth to Robse between one note and the nest, similar in Skies of pern, I think a complete scene in All the Weyrs, she does have some interaction with Jaxom in TWD, and Piemur in DragonDrums, as well as the mating flight with Kimi and Diver. DoP she has some interaction as well, but still as supporting cast, not first person.
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Which is bound to happen with that many characters, unfortunately.
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most of them if the series gets long enough. or world complicated enough. I think just about every major character in the pern books has been relegated to supporting cast, comic relief, or plain honorable mention in at least one book of the time.
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most of them if the series gets long enough. or world complicated enough. I think just about every major character in the pern books has been relegated to supporting cast, comic relief, or plain honorable mention in at least one book of the time.
Yeah, even Jaxom and Ruth (and F'lar and Lessa) were relegated to supporting cast in Skies of PERN.

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Dragondrums is mostly about Piemur, but there are a few significant scenes, particularly of her and Sebell alone on a boat during a firelizard mating flight...

I always wanted to know more about her relationship with Jaxom, because of some things in TWD.

*edit* I'm not saying she had a relationship with him - but she was supportive of his actions breaking the egg from the very beginning, and they were friendly with each other in TWD. Also, Jaxom was quite disappointed to find out about Sebell!
I agree it was her interactions with Jaxom in TWD and Dragonquest that got me hung up on her in the first place...

She had some interactions at Cove and Landing, but not as much as I would have liked. Heck I think I could read another 20 books about Menolly, everything about her I just wanted to read and experience.. Don't know why.
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Yeah, but tell that to a teenage boy on his first crush! I really think Corana might have been a rebound after seeing Menolly with Sebell!
I didn't think Sebell and Menolly were together when Jaxom and Menolly went south to look for D'ram...

Something happened that made him think of Corana and I can't place what it was now.. Time for a re-read...
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I didn't think Sebell and Menolly were together when Jaxom and Menolly went south to look for D'ram...

Something happened that made him think of Corana and I can't place what it was now.. Time for a re-read...
May have been the skinny dipping. I remember him comparing Menolly to some other female.

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May have been the skinny dipping. I remember him comparing Menolly to some other female.

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Jaxom dropped her off at the harper hall, Menolly spotted Kimi, Robinton drug Jaxom off to report his findings, after they located D'Ram, when Jaxom was going to leave, he circled once and saw what Menolly and Sebell were doing ( I don't think Anne described what he saw) but he was mad at himself for snooping, but also suprised about finding out about a relationship that even the masterharper had been unaware of. scene was from TWD, and I'm paraphrasing alot since I haven't read that one in years. memory was jogged from previous post. also Sebell recognised the Fire-head symptoms on Menolly, though it might have been at the same time Jaxom went between to wash firestone stink off at the cove...

Menolly from the Harper hall trilogy I liked, from TWD, not so much. her character in Dolphins was nearer harper hall than TWD. mostly in the ones I liked she was more of a enjoy music, compose, and generally enjoying peoples company. TWD, she was constantly probing Jaxom, as well as pushing him into actions. feeling was since she hadn't been told if he did what she pushed him towards, she was trying to trap him into confessing his own actions.... that kind of thing.
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Found it, he had started to meet with Corana to give him an excuse to sneak off and teach Ruth to chew Firestone.

Wasn't long after he fell for Corana some that the Egg was stolen by the old timers.

Then D'ram went back in time.

GH you are right when skinny dipping in Cove he did compare Menolly to Corana.

But The part you are talking about Ghost is when they were attending Wansor's star presentation at Fort I believe (good memory by the way) which was one of the first times we got to meet Menolly.

Yeah her roles in TWD an on were different then her Harper trilogy, but she had already completed her change of character by TWD than we ever saw in Harper Trilogy. I liked how she picked on Jaxom and teased him like I would my friends.
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didn't really get far into it, had to coax memories. Corana timeline is as you said. I'm still fairly sure that the "seeing Menolly and Sebell" incident was after they had headed south to coax memories from the fire-lizards, (where they went swimming and Jaxom noted Menolly was slimmer than Corana, then he had idea to jump back ten years, 25 years, something like that. when they found him, Jaxom returned, got chewed out by Menolly, then went to Benden to tell THEM where D'Ram was. slept the night there, got into a fight with Mirrim, left Benden without fanfare, went to the harper hall to drop Menolly off, she ran off with Sebell, Jaxom got dragged off by Robinton to report his findings. the classes were all early on, before Jaxom got to train with firestone.only really had one lesson in depth, which was when Wansor described plotting planetary courses, and ability to tell when and where you were by the stars in the sky.
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Dang you got a good memory, I even re-read the book about 2 months ago.


Corana.

Then Egg being stolen

Then D'Ram going south

Jaxom and Menolly go south to look for him (skinny dipping part)

Jaxom collapses at Benden after returning from south.

Jaxom and Mirrim go at.

Menolly gives Jaxom her He is everthing at once (Rider, Lord, and Young Man) speech

Then on their return trip to the Harper hall is where Sebell and Menolly walk away heads together and arms aroudn each other's waist.


Though he remarks about Menolly's beauty (not the Fire Lizard) nothing was ever said that he felt that way about her...
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I would suspect that he was likely of a mind that he really didn't want someone in his life who was going to pounce on any number of non comittal answers he could give.... where were you who were you with..... that kind of thing. Although Menolly did ask him what Corana thought of the scar.... I think. but best memory of the situation was her pouncing on where jaxom was when the egg was returned. Robinton seemed more interested in how he observed Jaxom and Menolly's interactions, musing that Menolly would make a good Lady holder.

wonder if we have completely left topic behind?
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Yeah.

My guess is once she made Journeyman(woman) her schooling moved into more normal patterns. Sessions with Domic and Shronagar, then moving to lessons with Wansor and Fandarel...

Except for Paradise Hold there is no mention of her being poste anywhere as a Harper for Hold or Weyr.
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well, she did make forays to the southern continent, but its possible looking to Robinton, she was "special assignment" like Sebell usually was. her being lifted up, presented, shown off for all to see so often its likely she couldn't be put on cover work, as Sebell was. then when Sebell was elected Masterharper, he probably had her posted in the hall.
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I agree, since she was so famous even before she went to the Hall cover work was out of the question. Though Anne never did say I wonder if more girls started to attend the Hall (who were gifted) then before.

I think she became kind of Robinton's link back to hall since he was out and about so much especially once the Old timers went south.
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During Dragondrums she was definitely involved in much more than music.
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Yes she was, but Sebell's involvement outside of Music was more forcefully presented, in both his undercover work ( the herdsman to Nabol Gather) and his Journeyings ( showing up at Fort Harbor in a boat with a LOT of southern Herbs and medicines) the only real mention of Menolly journeying, was when her and Sebell went south to find Piemur, and as an incidental reference to ending up at what is now Cove Hold. her posting herself to Paradise River was more to get out of cold, see Alemi, and have the second child, probably with Sebell sighing in relief that she wasn't complaining about the cold anymore.

trying to think, how many appearances did Menolly put in during All the Weyrs? she was there the first night when Sebell was nabbed for Harper hall records. (she helped carry volumes) the scene at beach/campfire with new song.... but think all the other major scenes with "not heard that often from" characters, were Sharra, Mirrim, and Jancis..... ah, confirmation of new Tillek holder... can anyone think of more scenes with Menolly during All the Weyrs? after all it DID seem to be Anne's showcase of dragging an agrarian society up to at least printing press level, with all the "green" shortcuts of a technologically advanced civilization.
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I know the Ruatha Gather late in the book, and near the end of the book at Cove she was there more to keep Robinton from doing to much.

But nothing major more that I can think of.
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