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Old Nov 4 2008, 10:03 AM   #1
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So, in the thread About a Prime's Tower, I keep sliding from ideas about the physical structure of a Tower to ideas about the corporate and tower command structure and strategies. I figured it'd be best to separate those into their own thread!

Tower Crew, FT&T Job Positions, etc

In the books, we are told of the following positions in a Tower:

Prime (or, a team of T-2s or T-3s...although we never see an example of the T-3s) - Ex: Rowan, Jeff Raven, Damia, Capella, Peter Reidinger I and IV
Twic/2IC/Seccond-In-Command - Ex: Afra Lyon, Kincaid Dano, Keylarion (Sp? Damia's first T-6 Twic pre-Afra).
Stationmaster - Ackerman (Callisto)
Engineer - Xexo (Iota Aurigae)
Some sort of ground crew - I think there was one named at Callisto, but I forgot who. On Clarf, 'dinis fulfill some of these functions.

Aside from the Prime, however, what each position is in charge of is not fully stated in the books. I've begun filling in the cracks in my mind.

The Prime is at the peak of the pyramid. Their *top* responsibility is to use their strength to move cargo around the Nine Star League/Alliance. All of the rest of the crew supports them in a FT&T Tower. Their secondary responsibility is in managing their Tower well enough so that it gives them what they personally need to do their job. In effect, depending on how they pick their crew, their personal style will influence a lot of the particulars. They will have the final say in hiring and firing, and they will have a significant say in matters that physically change the Tower around (but not necessarily the final say; they could be over-ridden by specialists brought in by the FT&T, or Earth Prime). During a working day in the Tower, they probably meet before, after, or during a break with their Twic and Stationmaster to discuss events that are coming up/are occuring/to keep tabs on what the crew is doing. Your typical business meeting between the Prime and her two right-hand people.

The Twic is the station Second In Command. They are typically the second-strongest Talent on duty in the station (except in cases where there's a T-2 team instead of a Prime. Then, obviously, they'd be 3rd). Twics on screen have ranged from T-6 (Damia's original Twic at Iota Aurigae) to T-2 (Afra at Iota Aurigae, David's T-2 wife Second-In-Command). T-4 or higher seems the norm; that seems to be the first level of Talent that has a chance of being able to reach some planetary Towers solo, with only generators to aid them. The Twic is the buffer between Prime and Crew. He or she is responsible for merging with the Prime on 'ports to lend strength so that the Prime can pace themselves throughout the working day. The Twic is also responsible for moving smaller cargo around as necessary and as his or her Talent level allows so that the Prime doesn't have to do it. The Twic keeps a much closer eye on the crew; any crew that doesn't report directly to the Stationmaster reports to the Twic, and the Twic is situated so that they are physically in closer proximity to the crew. The Twic is interrupted at their couch more than the Prime. Generally, on a typical day barring great emergencies, information flows from Crew => Twic => Prime. The Twic is responsible for making the Prime aware of what they need to know, for handling things before they become a big enough of a problem that the Prime has to step in, and for making sure the Prime has everything they need to do their job the fastest and most efficiently.

In smaller Towers that have no need of a large Finance or Accounting department, the Twic likely handles payroll and paperwork and that sort of fiddly stuff as well. Unless they worked directly under the Stationmaster, anyone calling in sick would tell the Twic. (A sick Twic, obviously, would tell the Prime, and probably the Stationmaster too for good measure.)

The Stationmaster has one hell of a job. Essentially, he or she is in charge of logistics...the logistics of getting cargo out in the Tower yard either broken down out of the cargo capsule that just came in to go wherever it needs to go, or to get it put together and loaded into an outgoing capsule so that the Prime could send it. (This is more involved than you may think; anyone who has worked in the inventory, warehousing, shipping, and stocking area of a business or corporation will have a little exposure to this and know what I mean. Anyone who *hasn't* probably has no idea the detail that goes behind the scenes. I know I didn't until I started working with inventory, shipping, and receiving for a small business.) They are also responsible for setting the daily schedule. I would imagine that the Stationmaster either comes into the Tower earlier in the day, or stays later after, than the Prime or Twic (although the Twic might show up too to assist the Stationmaster) so that they can set up, review, and handle the schedules for the next day. When the Tower is active, they are in charge of the entire Tower yard crew; they probably have one or two (or more if needed) Crew Managers under them, along with at least five or more cargo crew under those managers that work in the cargo yard, and they would run around during the day putting out minor and major fires that come up when the inevitable delays happen. If the Stationmaster is falling down on the job, the Prime *will* be affected, and severely; the station will pretty much fall apart, because the schedules will no longer run smoothly, and if the Stationmaster isn't doing their job, then, say, Altair Prime might show up and go, "Hey, catch this!" and the catching Prime is like, "WTF? You'll have to wait; I'm throwing junk at Earth right now!" which will screw up the scheduling for not just the local Tower but possibly MANY Towers. This is probably why they keep bribing the Callisto Stationmaster to stay...he keeps the station running smoothly, and then the Rowan comes along and bites his head off because she's in a bad mood. I'd be pissed if I were him too.

The Stationmaster doesn't directly move all that much cargo; this is why he or she can get away with being a T-9 even though the position is very important. They are usually at their console messing around with schedules and logistics math, or on the floor yelling at their crew, or pow-wowing with the Twic and/or Prime if something has gone awry. If you want a timeline on when the backup in the cargo yard will go away, you talk to the Stationmaster first; they will know before the Twic or Prime.

To be honest, after thinking of it, I'm not sure why Afra was so offended at his parents trying to wrangle him this job; sure the min requirements Talent-wise are T-9, but it's a *tough* and highly responsible job. Perhaps our Afra is honor-conscious to the point of Pride? Being 2IC would, status-wise, be a little higher, second only to the Prime, obviously.

Moving on...Engineer. Towers need someone to keep on top of the generators, the sleds and forklifts, and cradles, and all things mechanical. Depending on where the bulk of this person's responsibilities in a given Tower lies (ie, do they do more generator-repair, or forklift and cradle repair?) they could report either to the Twic, or to the Stationmaster. All Towers have at least one (although Callisto's is mysteriously absent, when you'd think he or she would have an even bigger task with the Moonbase to worry about), and the larger Towers might have a few more so responsibilities can be split (ie, one might only work on vehicles, another on cradles, a third on generators.)

Ground Crew. These are the folks, usually telekinetics or telekinetic/telepath whenever possible, that do the work of shifting cargo around on the floor. They would report to the Stationmaster, and would load and unload capsules, telekinetically and with forklifts.

Next post: I'll go into my theories on Tower positions that aren't mentioned in the books, but which would logically exist.
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Old Nov 4 2008, 11:19 AM   #2
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Yup, sounds good.

I seem to remember one example of a triple T-3 team being groomed for their jobs as Towered personnel at one of the terraformed Hiver planets, possibly Talavera. I think it was Rojer who helped them settle in to their jobs.
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I'll take your word on that; I don't remember a live T-3 team at all, but then I've only read The Tower and the Hive (and the others involving the kiddos) two or three times.

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(Do we have a list anywhere of all planets at the end of the Tower and the Hive that have Towers, and the makeup of the Talents manning those Towers? Ie, Prime, T-2 pair, T-3 trios and any known names?)

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The FT&T as a Corporation

The FT&T is a corporation. Although it has a certain neutral hand in government, it tries to stay neutral and supports itself (as far as we know) entirely by selling its services.

This means that it'll have various departments just like any other corporation. It's even possible (probable?) that those departments have non-Talents in them. (Tangent...I'd like to see a story from that perspective...a non-Talent working for the FT&T.)

So you'd have Accounting/Finance, Product Development, Marketing, HR & Training, R&D (who doesn't want newer, shinier generators or better shielding for personal quarters?), Security, and probably a few more areas I'm just not thinking of, in addition to the better-known Tower staff.

Accounting and Finance are probably the highest in non-Talents and Talents that have Talent that doesn't do much for their job. You might have some sort of Finder that can figure out fishy numbers or something, lol. Unsure that any other Talents would really provide a benefit to this profession; *maybe* a clairvoyant or precog for forecasting (a budget is only as good as the data it's based on; if you can get a clearer idea of the future, that's always a plus), but that's about it.

Product Development probably has a high number of Tower Talents (telekinetics and telepaths), if only so they don't totally embarrass themselves by suggesting something that any crew Tower Talent knows won't work. You probably have some ex-Tower crew, the ones with maybe low Talent but lots of brains.

R&D is probably similar in makeup to Product Development, and works hand in hand with it. These people will have more hard science backgrounds; scientists, engineers, etc. Biologists.

Marketing probably has a lot of telepaths, empaths, clairvoyants and precogs. These are the folks that battle anti-Talent feelings, and encourage people to try to sell their goods offworld (and thus, need transport of those goods via the FT&T). They encourage cross-planetary tourism. They may even help out HR with recruiting ad design and the like.

HR and Training - these are the people that convince Talents to work at the FT&T, and also the ones that providing training of Talent.

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Question: We know in the Pegasus books all Talents of all types stuck together. But the FT&T is "Federated Telepath and Teleport". Does it still cover clairvoyants, finders, and precogs? Or did they split off into their own union or business? FC&P? (Federated clairvoyant and precog?) Doesn't have the same ring to it, lol.

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On the Tower side of things, I already went over the known positions. I think there are some other positions that would be very likely, but which are never mentioned to my recollection in the books.

IT - Since the FT&T is a shipping company, it's going to have HUGE server/database system to track all that data. Granted, we don't know what forms computers have taken; there's no ansibles, obviously (otherwise they'd replace telepaths in a heartbeat), but they might be using quantum computing to crunch numbers. At any rate, no matter the technical platform, you'll need a Console Engineer or Data Administrator to handle these things. This person would report to the 2IC, but might also work closely with the Stationmaster if some system quirk is wreaking havock on scheduling.

Customer Service - You're going to have ticketing, or at least Information kiosks (manned or robotic). Even if all ticketing is computer and robot-based, you'll have *someone* overseeing that the setup satisfies the customers, and that they aren't getting frustrated. Gift stores/restaurants/bathrooms/etc. would fall in this person's domain. This position would be non-existant on Callisto, but very busy at Earth Tower. This Customer Service Manager would report to the 2IC. They would also have some sort of crew under them, depending on how automated and robotic ticketing/information/gift stores/etc. really are. Talents seem to like a personal touch, so the FT&T might be less mechanically automated than other companies. These people would probably ideally be empathic and/or telepathic, and work as your standard Customer Service Representatives. There's a good chance these would be young Talents, teens who are still figuring out their careers and prospects.

Security - We actually did run into these on Earth Tower, but it's uncertain if they're considered part of a Tower crew, or unique to Earth Tower. I'd think you'd have at least one Security Officer on main planetary Towers, and more at places like Earth Tower. They would ideally be a full Telepath/Empath/Telekinetic (read minds, pick up suspicious feelings, and kinetically remove bombs and stuff if necessary), but at a minimum a strongish Telepath. (They'll still need to rely on 2IC and/or Prime to probe suspicious higher Talents, but that's rare, and in cases like that I think the 2IC and Prime would want to be involved.) You probably get a lot of the T-5 - T-2 Tower Talent set in these positions who aren't all that enthused by shifting cargo all day every day, and want to do something more "interesting". If you're prone to scanning people's minds as a Telepath, a Security Talent is a good position for you...channel that urge into something productive, heh.

Office Manager - In a small Tower such as Callisto, the Stationmaster or Twic might order office supplies (lol), but in a larger Tower you would have someone dedicated to helping the other crew by attending to the little details that need to be attended to. Would report to the 2IC. Come to think of it, under the Office Manager you might have a Receptionist to man the external com lines. Not everyone's telepathic!

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I'm sure I'm going to come back with more thoughts on this. I don't know why I find it so interesting, but I do!
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Indeed.

Although since FT&T has an effective monopoly on efficient interstellar transport, I really don't think they need to promote themselves much, if at all. Also, their strength, at least until Damia's children and the rest of that generation grew old enough to work is used more or less to the max. I don't think they need to promote their traveling services themselves. It's another matter if, say, the tourist department of, say Deneb, wants to attract visitors.
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I would think they are all still registered somewhere, but FT&T refers to the actual business of transport and communications. Finders and Precogs really don't fit in there at all; they would probably have their own organization. Finders probably do a lot of independent work; Precogs probably have an arrangement like in the Pegasus books, where they report all Incidents to one central location and coordinate from there.
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Star Systems:
Sol
Capella
Betelgeuse
Procyon
Altair
Iota Aurigae
Epsilon Eridani

Towers have been stationed on:
Deneb
Callisto Moon
Earth (as Blundell Tower)
Iota Aurigae
Clarf
Sef
Vega
Talavera
Iwojima
Marengo
Capella
Altair

Planets that are dominantly human-settled are:
Capella (in Capella)
Truro (in Procyon)
Earth
Iota Aurigae
Deneb
Marengo
Vega

Planets that are settled largely by Mrdini are:
Clarf
Sef
Kif
Tplu
Clariflor/Clrflr
Talavera/Tlvr
Ptu

Planets that support an even mix of Mrdini and Human:
Marengo
Iwojima/Wjm

Only one Hiver-occupied world, Ciudad Rodrigo, is under intense study by scientists from all possible fields.
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Xh-33, and Arcadia are under scientific study. as far as currently occupied Hiver worlds, Cuidad Rodrigo was a failed colony with nearly dead ecosystem I think.
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I would think they are all still registered somewhere, but FT&T refers to the actual business of transport and communications. Finders and Precogs really don't fit in there at all; they would probably have their own organization. Finders probably do a lot of independent work; Precogs probably have an arrangement like in the Pegasus books, where they report all Incidents to one central location and coordinate from there.
Indeed, the Parapsychic Centers are still very much active and alive in this time. They have, of course, undergone structural changes to reflect the growing number of talents throughout the star systems. They would also have undergone some policy changes to reflect the times. However they would still maintain an autonomous state as layed down by Darrow and the first co-founders.

So, yes while FT&T is the dominant organisation, it is solely dealing with the transport and communications between worlds as well as the main force of colonial expansion.

I would also wager that FT&T is closely affiliated with the Centers in some way, in that perhaps they would share resources and manpower should that become neccessary.

I would also surmise that they would want to keep such an affiliation low key and out of the public eye to avoid the problems that less open minded indivduals would and have undoubtedly made in the past.

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I dunno, the original parapsychic centers were really a pool of gifted contractors. They might have worked the private sector but by the end of the times written there didn't seem to be that many trained Talents in much of any field except 'path and 'port. there were really only two instances in the Tower and Hive age that are discussed that have no link to FT&T and the last that linked, but only loosely, Yegrani in The Rowan Pierre or whatever the next Gen Schnoz's name was, then Zara and her namesake being in the medical sector. considering the number of riots, accidents etc.... it seemed like the structure described in pegasus fell apart under the power of the FT&T aegis.
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I dunno, the original parapsychic centers were really a pool of gifted contractors. They might have worked the private sector but by the end of the times written there didn't seem to be that many trained Talents in much of any field except 'path and 'port. there were really only two instances in the Tower and Hive age that are discussed that have no link to FT&T and the last that linked, but only loosely, Yegrani in The Rowan Pierre or whatever the next Gen Schnoz's name was, then Zara and her namesake being in the medical sector. considering the number of riots, accidents etc.... it seemed like the structure described in pegasus fell apart under the power of the FT&T aegis.
Realistically its logical that the Centers would have had to alter and change with the times, we are talking about over 300 years of social evolution here. Some things never change, but some things do, and to that end you would see major differences in the way things were run at a Center. You are assuming that because we do not see the operations of a center in the later Talent books that they are not there. I beg to differ, FT&T, while incredibly powerful and central to the core of the colonial effort, is still just a glorified "Messenger" service. Think of it as UPS with telekinetics. The reason you don't see the Centers in operation is simply this, Anne wanted to focus on FT&T because she'd already told the story of how things got to this point. The early days of the Parapsychic Centers are a pivotal point. In the Rowan's time it's illogical to think that there is no common organisation other than FT&T for talented individuals and its not the case. The Centers still operate, albeit, in different manner than their original counterparts. All the finders, pre-cogs, empaths, etc....still have that umbrella to sit under.
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Logical or not, you're talking as if all this was in the books - which it's not. We really don't see much except FT&T after the Pegasus books.
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Well, this thread to start with is a lot of speculation and filling in the blanks. Depending on how the Telepathic-Barque cats books turn out, we may or may not get more canon in the Talent universe.

I agree that there's under-representation of non-FT&T Talents in the Tower and Hive books, so we can't say for SURE how it's set up. But, logically speaking and without further evidence, it makes sense that they would have a separate identity. Thinking it over, it would make sense for Talents to have 3 arms; the FT&T as the interstellar UPS, probably making money hand over fist since it has a monopoly (even FTL is little competition to instant travel), another corporation that trains and contracts specialists such as finders and precogs and clairvoyants to various industries, and a third that's maybe a non-for-profit that acts as a teaching resource and safe harbor for Talents who want to learn to control their gifts...and then just go home and do something else with their time.
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Logical or not, you're talking as if all this was in the books - which it's not. We really don't see much except FT&T after the Pegasus books.
We don't see the sun when it's cloudy either, that doesn't mean its not there.

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Realistically its logical that the Centers would have had to alter and change with the times, we are talking about over 300 years of social evolution here. Some things never change, but some things do, and to that end you would see major differences in the way things were run at a Center. You are assuming that because we do not see the operations of a center in the later Talent books that they are not there. I beg to differ, FT&T, while incredibly powerful and central to the core of the colonial effort, is still just a glorified "Messenger" service. Think of it as UPS with telekinetics. The reason you don't see the Centers in operation is simply this, Anne wanted to focus on FT&T because she'd already told the story of how things got to this point. The early days of the Parapsychic Centers are a pivotal point. In the Rowan's time it's illogical to think that there is no common organisation other than FT&T for talented individuals and its not the case. The Centers still operate, albeit, in different manner than their original counterparts. All the finders, pre-cogs, empaths, etc....still have that umbrella to sit under.
I agree with Maximillian, but it is a pity that this particular side is not more a part of the later books. There is so much sap in the pegasus books, sap which I personally miss in the later books about FT&T except for The Rowan of course My personal favourite!

Some may argue that the later FT&T books are much more hard core science fiction than Anne's sometimes categorization in fantasy. Do you agree in this?
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Sort of. Although it depends on whether you're willing to classify psi powers as sf or not. It's definitely not hard sf though!

It's true, however, that non-FT & T Talents are rarely mentioned. Zara is a borderline case, since she's mainly a healer but was later able to temp as a Tower/Naval Prime. I don't think Elizara is FT & T, however.

After Yegrani, precogs are mentioned only a few times. Jeff consulted some while the Rowan was pregnant with Jeran, and was mildly teased about it too. Isthia Raven had a precog episode concerning Afra, how he'd later go to Deneb to heal. Alison Anne Greevy had a precog episode when she met Thian, which we didn't see then but she referred to it at the very end of Lyon's Pride, i.e. that they'd be lovers for a long time. Kincaid also apparently had a mild precog episode about trouble just before Vagrian Beliakin appeared at Clarf Tower.

Of course, nobody quite knows how Zara apparently realized what was wrong with the captive Hiver at Heinlein Base, or how the Talented women of Deneb were frightened by the approach of the Hive Sphere.
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This is very interesting...I will have to go through it more in detail this weekend...but I am thrilled that this kind of discussion is on the talents...instead of just always about Pern.

Multi...I love the list. Its great to see them all laid out together....thank you.

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We have speculated for years about Pern...filled in many of the gaps...so why not for this set of books as well. I think its wonderful.
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I agree too that the parapsychic centers still exist in some for at least. Anne chose to focus on FT&T, so the wide range of other talents out there just aren't related to the central story, but there's no reason for those talents to cease to exist. And, existing, they still would want/need some sort of central school/administrative center to help teach them to use their talents and arrange for employment.
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Maximillian - I was just trying to make the point that it is helpful in this type of discussion, if we specify which things are actual canon - actually IN THE BOOKS - and which things aren't actually mentioned but are speculative. However logical they are.
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Cheryl...if I remember correctly isn't there a school on earth mentioned briefly in a couple of books...?

Brenda...you do have a good point!! We do need to make sure that we don't start taking fan speculation or fiction as canon...instead of just what Anne wrote. Speculation is fun to think up...and very fun to take part in or to read about...but its Anne's wonderful stories that we all fell in love with...and that also gave wing to our wonderfuly creative, and speculative thoughts.
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