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View Poll Results: The final Ninth Pass Novel: How many loose ends?
I want all the plotlines clearly resolved! 19 32.76%
Nothing in life is simple, life goes on - give me loose ends galore and room for doubt! 9 15.52%
I'm a fence sitter. Give me a mixture 30 51.72%
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Old Dec 2 2005, 10:35 PM   #41
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I don't know if I would want another book. That little unfinished feeling when F'lessan says "There will always be dragons in the skies of Pern" is nicer than any resolve to me. I want to imagine what would end...I wouldn't really like knowing what really happened. It would spoil it-for me. Maybe not you.
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There's enough things if not for a novel but for another chronicles of Pern style book, there's so much left to see!
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There's enough things if not for a novel but for another chronicles of Pern style book, there's so much left to see!
Yeah, I'd like to see one of those. However, I'd much rather see a full-lengther that has original ideas with original characters set on Pern but written by a different author (think Dragonchoice) than more Anne/Todd books. There are times when an author runs out of ideas and should either give up or give other people the wheel.
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Isn't that what Anne did when she let Todd write books?
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Isn't that what Anne did when she let Todd write books?
Yeah, but Todd's...erm...not that good.
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Yeah, but Todd's...erm...not that good.
Yeah. If the author of a worldwide beloved series can't write anymore, if she plans on keeping it going, hand it over to someone who's QUALIFIED to produce quality books, not just because they're family.
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Is anyone QUALIFIED???
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I think that the person who should be able to say who is qualified should be the person who wrote it. If Anne felt that her son was good enough to write a Pern story then who are we to disagree.
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I think that the person who should be able to say who is qualified should be the person who wrote it. If Anne felt that her son was good enough to write a Pern story then who are we to disagree.
She has the right to say it (as well as legally allow him to publish and not others), but as readers we are still free to evaluate his writing skills for ourselves.
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I meant that we should not say who is, or who is not qualified. That should be left to Anne. Whether we like it or not is our own decision.
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I meant that we should not say who is, or who is not qualified. That should be left to Anne. Whether we like it or not is our own decision.
That may be true for final judgement, but Pern would be much better off if she looked around for other dedicated authors who could write and WANTED to write Pern rather than doing it for the money.
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I'd hate to say what I would want from a final ninth pass novel - resolution to some of the plot lines would nice. Toric get his comupance would nice to.

As for F'lar and Lessa - I would hate to see them die. Ride off into the sunset - that I could live with
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While I want some plotlines resolved. Toric's storyline re his meeting with the female abominator,the settlement of the western continent....perhaps some look to the future of families etc but would hate for Lessa, F'lar, Jaxom, F'nor or other characters to die

Would limit Anne too much no one dies, not another sky falling scenario, everyone happy lol

Agree that Anne can choose who is allowed to "inherit Pern" but disagree that Todd is best choice...Think her daughter is also supposed to write in this world. Would love to see some of her work for comparison....I am not that fond of Todd's work ---case of hopes dashed....
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I like the idea of plotlines left unresolved, with a lot left to the imagination, but somehow making it work nicely--actually Skies of Pern isn't that bad by those standards--it just suffers because of some of the continuity and dating errors.
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I'll go ahead and admit it- my 1st reaction to this question was to scream, "I don't want Canth to die!"

Oookay, moving on. . . I'll discuss this rationally. ***Wish me luck***

Like others, I want everything to get resolved happily so the characters can live to be old men and women. Tall order, I know. Now the end of Thread is in sight, maybe F'lar can actually die naturally of old age (what a concept!)Not that I want to see it, and personally I don't know that Anne does either-she created and has 'known' F'lar for several decades now, so just writing him out could be difficult. It would be for me, though I decidedly have problems with killing characters.

That having been said, I am not of the opinion that the end of Thread means the end of Pern. There are challenges of other sorts to be faced, and they don't necessarily fall from the sky.There can still be plotlines and stories on Pern, _______ McCaffrey just has to be creative.
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As far as Todd's skill, one doesn't need to be the manager or a chef to know when one is being fed poop. I think Anne passed it on to her son to keep it in the family, and maybe because as a mother, she couldn't evaluate his "skills" objectively. Maybe she should have taken her boy in hand: "No! No! **swat** Watch whers don't fight Thread! You're grounded!" But...that's another topic for another day.

I would love to see:
1: Jaxom make a mistake. The bigger the better.
2: Settlement of the desert island. There could be some interesting resources there: minerals, subspecies of firelizards, etc.
3: Revelation to Toric how he's been screwed. I don't think he's really that bad---is he really any more greedy than the other lords, the Oldtimers, or some crafters?---but I think the shock might kill him!
4: F'lessan's Golanth learns to fly with telekinesis, but is legitimately beaten by another bronze for Zaranth. Tai learns to deal.
5: Confirmation that Thread is, in fact, gone forever in a way even common Pernese will understand.
6: A strong voice against the radical cultural changes AIVAS technology brings who ISN'T an insane and violent Abominator.

I would hate to see:
1: No one dies. Many main characters are 70 or older. Many do dangerous things. C'mon!
2: Tai cheats her way out of the Brekke dilemma.
3: Another celestial danger threaten Pern.
4: Another plague.

There's a perverse part of me that thinks Anne should throw us a curve ball and give Lessa Alzhiemer's or something. Kidding!
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I'll take a crack at this for the 9th Pass:
A. Toric gets caught doing something so stupid (and bad) that he becomes only the second Lord Holder to get dropped on an island and his son takes over. (I liked it when he got his dad so mad he kicked the door edge and hurt his little toesie )
B. Next story starts 25 years AFTER (as I really don't want another Roberton episode )

And because of the AVAIS files:
1. A Master Holder, Master Craftsman and a Master Dragonrider elected every 3 years to form a new type of goverment representing each group
2. Dragonriders disband the wyers and form a new Dragonrider hall in the south.
3. Runners form a new Postal Crafthall aligned with the Dragonrider hall
4. No combustion engines allow on the surface (truely a "Green" society)
5. (though some will say "NO WAY!) A Terra fleet ship arrives to remove the stray planet so that the planet can be setup for a colony, only to find.....

Sorry it's long but there's still good stuff in that stuff

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There's a perverse part of me that thinks Anne should throw us a curve ball and give Lessa Alzhiemer's or something. Kidding!
Actually, this is the part that I've kinda been afraid to mention. But since ThreaZd is ending-like it or not- the characters and the stories will need new conflicts and challenges to face, and right up there in the "Top 10 most likely issues" that are to face are age and. . .

Disability.

It's only "perverse" for the first. . . oh 48 hours or so. After that, you get to watch a human being learn to survive and thrive with limitations. Quite a fascinating study in human nature, actually. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. It's similiar to losing a dragon (still losing a part of yourself, quite literally), and some make it through, and some don't.

I want to see how the Pernese and their culture handle it. And there's alot to handle there. The president in the 1930-'s, FDR, was paralyzed- he had post-polio- and still he led the US through at least one war and most of the Great Depression. Yet there are no photos of him that show the "cripple" he was. Interesting. . . Was he afraid of disability? Probably not, but the public was.

On Earth, we like to say that we've moved beyond that, and in many ways we have. But what about Pern? They don't have nearly the level of technology, but they havfe the belief that everyone can contribute something, and deserves a chance. I think (and this is just my personal hypothesis) that when faced with the disability ofc someone, they would get that person the supports they need to be successful.

So, Alzheimer's and a dragonrider might be rough- honestly. But spinal injuries could happen, as could a lot other things. How do they cope? What if F'nor had lost the use of his arm when he got slashed? That doesn't affect leadership abilities, by the way. It might make an interesting story.

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I would like to see the last thread flown by all the dragonriders. I would also like to see Jaxom letting Lessa and F'lar know that he went into the future and saw that the planet we diverted. I would like to see F'lessen's hold be the first dragonhold, but not the last.

I think that some things should be left up in the air. Torric for one, have him still trying to get more than what he already has. Have some of the northern holders fight among themselves over land and what place the dragonriders have.
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I want to see how the Pernese and their culture handle it. And there's alot to handle there. The president in the 1930-'s, FDR, was paralyzed- he had post-polio- and still he led the US through at least one war and most of the Great Depression. Yet there are no photos of him that show the "cripple" he was. Interesting. . . Was he afraid of disability? Probably not, but the public was.

On Earth, we like to say that we've moved beyond that, and in many ways we have. But what about Pern? They don't have nearly the level of technology, but they havfe the belief that everyone can contribute something, and deserves a chance. I think (and this is just my personal hypothesis) that when faced with the disability ofc someone, they would get that person the supports they need to be successful.
I think we've already seen how the average Pernese handles disability in Renegades of Pern. Does anyone remember Brare? Injured, lost his foot...and relegated to a cave for the rest of his life with the outcasts because he's not worth the effort. Admittedly, After might be a different story, but only once Pernese really realise they don't need to be militiant anymore--a hard thing for them. Even in Skies of Pern, the Dragonriders decide to remain "on alert". I mean come on, these guys and gals deserve a break, don't you think?
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As a bye-line: remember that comets still come in from time to time from way out yonder. It would be interesting to have a young rider (just a Blue) who sits and listens to his grandsire's stories from his grandsire: of the "old Days" of the wyres. As he is taking his turn on the sky-watch program he spies a big comet with a really strange misty tail coming in from space. As everyone knows the stray planet is history.........
Well, just a thought.
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I think we've already seen how the average Pernese handles disability in Renegades of Pern. Does anyone remember Brare? Injured, lost his foot...and relegated to a cave for the rest of his life with the outcasts because he's not worth the effort. Admittedly, After might be a different story, but only once Pernese really realise they don't need to be militiant anymore--a hard thing for them. Even in Skies of Pern, the Dragonriders decide to remain "on alert". I mean come on, these guys and gals deserve a break, don't you think?
Nah. . . break? How silly

Poor Brare and his story's not too positive, is it? Then there's MasterHealer Oldive, who's not 'average', he's above it. Literally, at times.

But, I totally agree with you. The Pernese' being so "rank obsessed" IS potentially problematic; it could go (and some would argue, has already gone) into a completely unfair hierarchy- where the rankers take all, and the losers are the one relegated to caves. So the obvious answer is- no more hierarchy. But really, how will things work if there isn't one?

'Sides, Old Hippie wants to make Thread fall again. Ought to be exciting, that.
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There's enough things if not for a novel but for another chronicles of Pern style book, there's so much left to see!

I think the style would be jarring, but it would make a more tightly-written and organized finale than the writing of Skies of Pern.
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Do remember that Anne's writing one more with the working title of "After the Fall".
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I would like to see F'lar live to see the end of Thread. After everything he has done for Pern, it seems to me a fair reward that he should live to see his greatest wish fulfilled, and then yes, a quiet, peaceful death with Mnementh and Lessa at his side. I want to know exactly what happens to the Dragons, and I agree with Old Hippie - I always imagined them forming some kind of craft hall, and slotting back into Pernese life that way. I think though, that some of the dragons would still live in the weyrs, I cant imagine the weyrs being totally abandoned....

As for Todd's writing, he's no Anne, but I wouldnt want to see Pern in the hands of a non Mccaffrey either... I like Dragonsblood though, it's my favourite of all the books he has written so far! I am also a little over the whole plague thing... but at least it wasnt another human plague... And Weyrlady - I totally agree with you - dont kill Canth! (I always had a soft spot for him too!)
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****Canth the magic dragon lives by the sea. And frolics in the autumn mists in a land called Honalee. . . ******:-) ;-)
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I hear it as "Path the magic dragon...."
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Ways for the Weyr dragons and the suport staff can fit into Pern.
Jobs for them. Perhaps a way to training to help make the transction more smoother, way for the ones who want to live in a Weyr can still suport themself after the pass.
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Okay I'll put my 2cents in:

*Jaxom doesn't need to tell the weyrleaders what happen - just get Menolly to write a song about it. "Did he or didn't he do it?" type of thing like the Question Song.
*Something definitely needs to be done with Toric and it's got to be INTERESTING enough for us to go "Arrh, that's what's happened to him?"
*F'lar and Lessa get their wish and open a hold up for themselves.
*It was a bit of an open-ender for F'lessan when he looked up to Lytol and thought "hmm.. other possibilities in my job description". And I don't mean as a "gay" person because he loves his ladies too much, especially Tai - lots of possibilities there.
*Same thing goes for Brekke - gets off her rear end and feels a lot better for it. Perhaps like Lytol, finds other alternative means to jobs - perhaps as a Masterhealer - after having lost her dragon. As a result, improves relationship with F'nor.
*Can't you tell I'm a romantic at heart?
*More on Readis, T'gellan and the dolphins.

AND.....

There's so many plotbunnies, regarding perhaps an inter-related story thrown in with either brainships or a "Nimisha" storyline where there's a convenient black hole opening up in the Pernese sector....
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My (for what it's worth {about }) cooked up before Anne anointed Todd.

Before shutting down, Aivas completed an original program (that judged stability of population and tech level) and sent a message back towards Central Worlds.

Message picked up just after Sassinak has saved the government, who want the hero to be well out of sight and not a rallying point. So Sassinak & Lunzie on the Zaid Dyan are sent to evaluate this long lost colony.

Their report of the telepathic linkages sparks incredulity in some quarters, so an expert has to be sent to check that it isn't due to some weird crystaline formations in the brains caused by the somewhat different chemicals in the vegetation etc. Who gets sent? Killashandra of course; now very ancient. She gets to do the journey by Brainship and at last meets Helva.

In other quarters the same report raises hopes that some of the population might be recruited to F.T.& T. so The Rowan also heads in that direction.

I suppose it MIGHT be possible to work in Herris Serano and Godmother Felicity as well?
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Old Sep 10 2009, 09:10 PM   #74
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P'ter, you brightened a very dull day with that one! But don't forget you'll need to throw in something about a marauding Mil ship that suddenly becomes encased in a Farmer's bubble.
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They could have done with a farmers' bubble from day one: but then we wouldn't have had the dragons.

I suppose to be fair we should also work in Joat, the Twins and Acorna.
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They did have Joat and I do Jack/Jill of all Trades, in DD!

So perhaps they could being it back cross-crafthing, holding, weyrholding with a some folks who know a bit of all differnt things.
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While I'm not entirely sure if I want this to happen, or even if it could, it would be an interesting twist if some kind of massive disaster destroyed a large part of Pern. Something like, off the top of my head, the Red Planet crashing into Pern, or the Yokohamura (sorry if wrong spelling) nuked the northern continent.

Of course, a few dragon and firelizard eggs would have to survive, potentially leading to new people starting the dragonriders again without the traditions of the old.
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That sounds so bratty, Weyrbrat. ;-)

I'll have to admit, I've always wanted someone "back home" to know (since "The Rescue", I believe it was called) that there were more survivors.
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Kizz, the story you're thinking of is called "Rescue Run". Now that would be a story in itself as the survivors that were picked up at the time, may have come up in the galaxy as the "founders" of a company using numbweed - the gems they brought also with them, would have paid for the "start-up" of said company. One or several of the descendants comes back and catches up with the descendants of the original colony as they may have problems with their crops (on other world/s) and need to restart the business again. Plus it does mention in one of the latter 9th pass books where F'lessan wonders why there's no further mention of Stev Kimmer and his family at Weyr Hold or in AIVAS. So I'd be happy to read something along those lines.
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I'm sorry, but something the size of the Red Star crashing into Pern would not allow for any survivors.

Red Star crashes into Pern, rocks fall, everyone dies. No survivors.

The Yoko, on the other hand...possibly.

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