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Old Jan 14 2005, 04:30 PM   #1
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Default Alan Dean Foster under-rated?

Leaving aside the various screen plays some good, Aliens ect. some not so good a 'Saturn' thing which starred Sean Connery.
ADF has written some cracking books, alot of them are out of print now but I did have most of them until a rat of an ex-boyfriend stole the lot!
There are some series in which Flinx is the main character who has a minidrag which I've always enjoyed, but I'd recommend any of his work.
There are also some very good 'stand alone' books in which various themes are explored. His humour is along the Terry Pratchatt line but very different way, as is only right.
So next time you see a book by ADF (as long as is not Aliens ect!) pick it up and give him a try

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I'll go for that. He's definately one of my favourite authors, especially for the Humanx series of books. However, I haven't had any money to spend for years now and I always wanted to know how he'd progressed in that series - does anyone know the list of books perchance?
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I'll go for that. He's definately one of my favourite authors, especially for the Humanx series of books.
I enjoy his Humanx series too. In fact, that is my second favorite series after Pern. I especially enjoy the Thranx--they're one of my most favorite species in all of science fiction. I haven't read too many of the books. So far, I've read Nor Crystal Tears, the three books leading up to the founding of the Commonwealth, and Midworld.

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At his website, www.alandeanfoster.com, he has a timeline with all of Commonwealth books.

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Thank you. That is well appreciated.
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When I started this thread I was hoping that there would be some other fans out there!
There was also the 'Spellsinger' series, I think theres 6 in total but my copies are packed away while Im waiting for enough shelves to be put up to unpack all my books, an impossible task as I keep buying more books!
There is another set (which includes Icerigger) that is set on another world but I'll have to dig the books out to check!
One of my favorite 'stand alone' book is 'Codgerspace' all I will say is that a cheese sandwich is a dangeruos weapon!
Thanks for the link to ADF's site now I'll know which book i'm missing after that jerk of an Ex ran off with!
I'll be back with info I hope
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Cheers McClance
I've printed off the list and it's made even more angry at the thieving a***hole. I've just realised there were alot more than I'd realised and that most of them were old original (1st) print, now most of them will be out of print and they will have to be added to my 'books to find' which is getting longer by the day!
There goes the bank balance!
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poor you!
whats a good starting book-I'm trying to broaden my range of sf!
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I've only read Splinter of the Mind's Eye (one of his two Star Wars novels- I've been meaning to pick up his other one), but I liked that.
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Hi Edith
Here's a few authors and some of their series that I've enjoyed...just a tip...start reading them in paper back, if you're anything like me, I buy in hard back and then it's really costly to continue and I like my series all in one format!
These are all fantasy although I do love Si-Fi too, the authors have written other stuff but I've recommended a few series that I've enjoyed.

Kate Elliott....'Crown of Stars' series very good but try to read them close together as the plot is many 'themed'. Book one is 'Kings Dragon'

Geoge R.R. Martin...'A Song of Fire and Ice' Book 1 is 'A Game of Thrones' Beware that book 2 in this series is issued in two parts! Part 1 of Book 2 is 'A Clash of Kings' and Part 2 of Book 2 is 'A Storm of swords'

J.V.Jones... 'The Book of Words' series Book 1 is 'The Bakers Boy' She's also written a 'stand alone' book called 'The Barbed Coil' which is very good and I have book 1 of a series called 'Sword of Shadows' but I've only got part 1 'A Cavern of Black Ice' but as yet I've not found book 2!

Terry Goodkind...'The Sword of Truth' Book 1 is 'Wizards First Rule' this is quite a long series but the writing is of the same quality though out the series
I find with some long series the story is dragged out too long and the quality suffers!

I'd also recommend Eliabeth Moon who's co-written with Anne. Theres a series called 'The Deed of Paksenarrion' Book 1 is 'Sheepfarmers Daughter' and there is also a series called 'The Serrano Legacy' which starts with 'Hunting Party' these are more Si Sf but they just got better and better, although some people have commented that they found it hard to get started on them!
I could keep going for hours but if there any topics that you really want to explore let me knew and I'll try and find books along those lines
Until then Happy Reading
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thanks!
no time at the mo tho
its the dreaded exams until saturday!
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My thoughts are with you, as you sweat and slog away at your exams
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thanks!
1 1/2 hrs til the 1st.
am-for some reason suffering from compulsive watching the board!
the strong coffee might help though!
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The first book that I read of ADF books was 'Midworld' (it is also one of the lost/stolen books)
So when I saw one titled 'Mid-Flinx' I assumed that it was 'Midworld' Not so!
or not as I remember 'Mid-world to be. It has been a while since I read it but did'nt Flinx find out more about the Furcot's. That's is that they emerged from the bolls on the Lifetree which produceds a Furcot when a human child was born, this is'nt explain in 'Mid-Flinx' book although the story line is hinted at many times in Mid-Flinx' although it was never explained as it was in 'Midworld'
Also the titles of both books are as written here 'Midworld' and 'Mid-Flinx'!
Please if any one can clear this up...Is Mid-world' the orginal
book and 'Mid-Flinx' a separate book or is it a book produced for a different country i.e. USA or is it an add-on for the 'Mid-world' book?
I'm confused!
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Midworld and Mid-Flinx are two different books. Midworld introduces Midworld and I believe Mid-Flinx follows up on it several centuries later. I haven't read Mid-Flinx yet, though. I'm just going by what Foster has on his timeline.

I hope that answered your question.
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I've just found out that 'Midworld' was published in 1976 and 'Mid-flinx' was'nt
published until 1995! so is it a sequal or a pre-qual? This means I've still got to find 'Midworld' BLAST!
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I think I read one of his, didn't he write some starwars ones, like A splinter in the Minds eye? It was good though
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He's written alot of scripts and short stories. I'm not sure if he writes the total script or if he just adapts it for it to come out in book form. I did a print off of his biblography from his web site www.alandeanfoster.com,for which you must thank McClance
who passed the link on.
ADF has also written some really interesting subjects 'Cyberway' is one and 'the I inside' are good, I've started reading him again' now I have to haul my boxes of books out to get to the ones that are packed away....Don't laugh but there's at least five banana boxes of books that were packed in '98! by the way Banana boxes are great for storing books you should be able to get thre rows length ways holding about 30 to 40 books in all! I should know I've got at least 20 + if you include the ones still at my dad's!
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I've just found an Alan Dean Foster that I've never heard of before and it's great!
It's called 'Greenthieves' and is written from a neat little machine's view, that travels about floating above an insurance adjusters shoulder, in life the machine is just a data retrival and basic A.I. called a 'minder' but it seems to be sentinent although the humans don't seem to credit it with any independant thoughts.
All through the book it makes the most wicked asides and observations about the human condition, it's
There's also a larger machine that has been programmed to observe and learn about social interaction, this make him a leach but in an almost innocent way, but is it so innocent?
The human chracters a as well written always.
I really recommend that if you enjoy A.D.F. keep your eyes open for it.
A very different slant on a much used theme
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I've found some more ADF's that I had'nt heard of! There a big place called 'The Book Barn' which carries upward of 600+ in the Si Fi section alone
all together now 'Heaven I'm In Heaven'
There were alot of the 'script of the film books' ie 'Black Hole' and 'Aliens' ect but I dont buy those but I did get 'Splinter of the minds Eye' which is based on the George Lucas's, Luke Skywalker of Star Wars fame....Should be interesting. I'll let you know if its worth getting!
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I've found some more ADF's that I had'nt heard of! There a big place called 'The Book Barn' which carries upward of 600+ in the Si Fi section alone
Wow. I wish there was one of those places near me. I'd probably have a lot a fun there...and probably loose a lot of money too.
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Oh McClance you can never loose money on book!
You can invest in them
Hire them as friends for awhile
View it as give you money to a good cause (The expansion of your mind)
Or just bankrupt yourself for a good collection that will impress all your friends!
Support your favourite Author in their endeavours
and be able to confer with like minded people!!!
all for the price of a book....not a lost of money just putting it to good use
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All right. I wouldn't loose mony. But it would still eat up a lot of it. And at the moment, I'm currently unemployed and only getting a $50/month-allowance from my dad and having other things to save up for.
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It's a shame you're so far away otherwise you could share mine. They are all chained to the shelf ofcourse, I'm not going to lose these ones!!!!
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I've just found out that 'Midworld' was published in 1976 and 'Mid-flinx' was'nt published until 1995! so is it a sequal or a pre-qual? This means I've still got to find 'Midworld' BLAST!
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Mid-Flinx could be considered a sequel to Midworld only in the sense that they both take place on the same world. This is the only relation between the books. Mid-Flinx is Flinx's adventure on Midworld. This planet should eventually play an important part in future Flinx stories.

Here is the list of Alan's books in my collection.
Slipt
Glory Lane
Maori
Quozl
Cyber Way
Cat-A-Lyst
Codgerspace
Greenthieves
Life Form
Mad Amos
Jed The Dead
Parallelities
Interlopers
Kingdoms Of Light
Primal Shadows
Humanx Commonwealth
Nor Crystal Tears
The Founding Of The Commonwealth
1 - Phylogenesis
2 - Dirge
3 - Diuturnity's Dawn
Voyage To The City Of The Dead
Midworld
The Icerigger Trilogy
1 - Icerigger
2 - Mission To Moulokin
3 - The Deluge Drivers
The Adventures Of Flinx Of The Commonwealth
1 - For Love Of Mother-Not
2 - The Tar-Aiym Krang
3 - Orphan Star
4 - The End Of The Matter
5 - Flinx In Flux
6 - Mid-Flinx
7 - Reunion
8 - Flinx's Folly
9 - Bloodhype
Drowning World
Sentenced To Prism
Cachalot
The Howling Stones
Spellsinger
1 - Spellsinger
2 - The Hour Of The Gate
3 - The Day Of The Dissonance
4 - The Moment Of The Magician
5 - The Paths Of The Perambulator
6 - The Time Of Transference
7 - Son Of Spellsinger
8 - Chorus Skating
The Damned
1 - A Call To Arms (x2)
2 - The False Mirror
3 - The Spoils Of War
Montezuma Strip
2 - The Mocking Program
Dinotopia
1 - Dinotopia Lost
2 - The Hand Of Dinotopia
Journeys Of The Catechist
1 - Carnivores Of Light And Darkness
2 - Into The Thinking Kingdoms
3 - A Triumph Of Souls
Collections
With Friends Like These...
...Who Needs Enemies?
The Metrognome
Impossible Places

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I must say, that's one impressive collection you've got, Flinx! (I can guess where you got your username.)

I've only got Nor Crystal Tears, but have also read Phylogenesis, Dirge, Diuternity's Dawn, and Midworld.

As soon as I'm caught up with Pern, I'm going to work on the Commonwealth.
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I'm filled with envy, what a good collection you've got yourself, Have you got one called 'In to the out of' part of the story is that the bits of rubber you see by the side of the road turn into some nasty things?
I have got it,I think! you will notice from previous posts the a S.O.B. took my collection,
But I remember that this book is really good in the twist and turns of the plot.
There are some on your list that I used to have and very much enjoyed
'The Icerigger trilogy' and although it took me a couple of trys I did get into the 'Time of Transferance' but I found it hard going at first.
I'm keeping my eyes peeled for all of the others!
I still think ADF is under-rated partly because of the film spin off's that he has done....But every one has to eat! I still think that he's a good story teller and thats good enough for me!
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<snip>I must say, that's one impressive collection you've got, Flinx! (I can guess where you got your username.)

I've only got Nor Crystal Tears, but have also read Phylogenesis, Dirge, Diuternity's Dawn, and Midworld.<snip>
When I first got on the 'net was trying to think of a name to use for my email. Decided on Flinx because he was one of my favourite characters. I use that name on almost all the message boards I visit.

Nor Crystal Tears is one of my favourite books. I'm lucky enough to have a copy signed by both Alan & Michael Whelan, the cover artist.
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I'm filled with envy, what a good collection you've got yourself, Have you got one called 'In to the out of' part of the story is that the bits of rubber you see by the side of the road turn into some nasty things?
I have got it,I think! you will notice from previous posts the a S.O.B. took my collection,
But I remember that this book is really good in the twist and turns of the plot.
There are some on your list that I used to have and very much enjoyed
'The Icerigger trilogy' and although it took me a couple of trys I did get into the 'Time of Transferance' but I found it hard going at first.
I'm keeping my eyes peeled for all of the others!
I still think ADF is under-rated partly because of the film spin off's that he has done....But every one has to eat! I still think that he's a good story teller and thats good enough for me!
I'm rather surprised that I don't have any of the movie novelisations. I know that I've read a couple of them. Looking at Alan' website of the list of them, I know I won't bother collecting them because most of the movies I'm not particularly interested in but will try to find The Last Starfighter.

Into The Out Of is one of the few I have not got.

I listed all the titles I have but not all the copies I have. I have multiple copies of the earlier Flinx novels because when Mid-Flinx was released, they re-released the earlier novels with new cover art by Bob Eggleton.

I haven't read The Time Of Transference as until recently I only had Son Of Spellsinger and Chorus Skating. Eventually I will get around to reading them. I still need to get a new 1st printing of Chorus Skating, because I found that my copy had got damaged. This is rather annoying because it was a signed copy.

I could have got them sooner in UK editions but I prefer the US editions.

All of Alan's books in my collection are the US editions. I prefer the US editions because they usually have much better cover art than the UK editions. I know a few of them have the same art for both the US & UK editions, one I can think of is Icerigger, but most have different art.

To compare the difference, check these examples of A Call To Arms, the US edition and the UK edition.

If you have a particularly favourite novel by Alan, I recommend that you try to get a US edition of it.

I think Alan is under-rated because his books are hard to find, most are out of print. I just checked on both the US & UK sites of Amazon for Sentenced To Prism, another of my favourite Commonwealth novels, and it is only available second-hand.

If I go into a general bookstore, there are sometimes a few of the Commonwealth or Spellsinger novels but virtually all the rest are the movie tie-ins, like the Aliens or Star Trek books. Even in the specialist sci-fi bookstores this is almost the same situation, except that they may have a few of the older books & more recent releases.

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My two fav ADF novels have to be Glory Lane, and To The Vanashing Point. Both stand alone books, but entertaining, and worth the read.
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Any fans of Alan near Dallas Fort Worth, he will be Guest of Honour at FenCon III.
The Artist Guest of Honour is Darrell K. Sweet who besides doing some covers for Alan's books, has also done the cover art on a number of Anne's books.
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Okay gonna repost this mostly into one since I want to and I am conserving etrees. lol

Okay I love the Pip & Flinx series of the Commonwealth. Can't wait to get the new book that should have come out late last year. But then I will have to await the final to come out later this year.

I also am a major fan of the spellsinger series. Though I have yet to finish "Son of a Spellsinger", and didnt even know there was another until the other day. Anyone like the last to of the series?

The far from home series is also a good one. Who can't help but love a talking dog who travels through space. And since his name is George it reminds me of those old Tex Avery cartoons of the dogs who represented the two characters from "Mice & Men". But I digress, it was a very thrilling read, espescially with the melange of characters that make up the unwilling traveling group.

And I cant forget(again) to mention the Damned series. Turns out Humans are viscious creatures once we lose our sense of humanity. whodda thunk? But thats what made me love it all the more. lol

okay my rambling of books has come to an end for now.
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Yeah, I'd say he was underrated. He's been turning out books for as long as many of the better recognised names. I read Splinter of the mind's eye, then found some of his movie novelizations, my favorite I think is still sentenced to prism. His strength seems to be building one heck of a world. so far his characters have all seemed to be middle of the road plain, but stubborn at holding to an idea.
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Alan Dean Foster is vastly underrated due to the perverse prejudice a lot of people seem to have toward authors that do novelizations. ADF's novelizations are, in fact, outstanding. Unlike some authors he doesn't stray and embellish to the point that you don't recognize the film.

His novelizations of the animated series of Star Trek are my favorite and I've never parted with them, although these are a novelization where he did embellish (outstandingly throughout, and extensively on four stories). The scene with Scotty drunk on too much egg-nog arguing with Spock about the theoretical ramifications of a four-dimensional Christmas tree is priceless. And Kumara is the only villain in the Star Trek universe I ever really respected.

ADF's out-of-print status, however, is hardly unique. There are many authors I remember clogging shelf after shelf in bookstores in my youth who are now hard to find. It's a matter of age, time, and a dwindling readership as more and more people are sucked into video games and the web (especially the young).

ADF's great strength is writing aliens and their perspective. Many of his alien characters are more fun than his human characters. And he should be in the SciFi Hall of Fame for making Man's best friend in the universe a race of "bugs" if for nothing else.

His best work is in his Humanx Commonwealth universe, which includes the Flinx series, although these are not always the best of Humanx. Nor Crystal Tears is a masterpiece (as is Whelan's cover art), and the Icerigger Trilogy is a rip-roaring adventure. Of Flinx, For Love of Mother Not is a favorite, as are The Tar-Aiym Krang and The End of the Matter.

Cyber Way and the Montezuma Strip novels are unique and interesting.

I enjoyed The Man Who Used The Universe and a number of other stand-alones.

The Damned trilogy and Journeys of the Catechist didn't do much for me, nor the Far From Home books.

Spellsinger started out fun and witty, but has grown long-in-the-tooth.

My least-favorite Foster book of all time is probably Splinter of the Mind's Eye. Foster never liked Han Solo and effectively tried to write him out of the Star Wars universe. Needless to say, he failed and there aren't too many people weeping about it. (HSF!)

His short story collections however, are absolutely priceless, including such classics as With Friends Like These, Why Johnny Can't Speed and Some Notes Concerning A Green Box, The Darklight Girl and the first Mad Amos story; not to mention a story only those of us old enough to remember when "phone company" was a singular concept can appreciate. His notes prefacing each story are equally priceless.

Alan Dean Foster is one of my favorite authors and I retain the Star Trek animated series novelizations, the short-story collections and all of the Humanx books (including Flinx) on my shelves. The rest have found new homes with a thousand other tomes due to the excessive cost of adding a room to the house just to hold all the books my wife and I have read over time.
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I have seen some his work over at the Science Fiction Book Club site.
Here is some related to both ST and SW A.C. Crispen (sp) did stories in bother places.
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