A Meeting of Minds - An Anne McCaffrey Discussion Forum  

Go Back   A Meeting of Minds - An Anne McCaffrey Discussion Forum > The Anne McCaffrey Collection > Dragonriders of Pern
FAQ Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old Apr 28 2006, 03:19 PM   #1
edith
Dragonrider


Weyrwoman
 
edith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Delft
Gender: F
Fan of: Most of them :)
Now Reading: Don't You Have Time To Think- RP Feynman
Question How do dragons die?

In the thread SoP ending, the issue about dragons dying came up.
So, how can dragons die.

So far I can divide it into 2 main catagories

Death due to dragon related causes (ie accident)
Death due to Human related causes (ie rider dies)

there are lots of variations within these, so, what can people think of?

edi
edith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 28 2006, 04:06 PM   #2
granath
Talent
Tower Prime
 
granath's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Proud Mom!
Gender: F
Fan of: Afra Lyon
Now Reading: Faye Upton: Dragonchoice 3
Default Re: How do dragon's die

There's one other category, faulty visualization by the rider. The rider doesn't die and kill his or her dragon, just visualizes badly so that the dragon either doesn't come out of between at all (Moreta & Holth) or emerges below ground and effectively suffocates (happened to a weyrling just learning to fly in DDawn, I think).
__________________
Decaf coffee is an oxymoron. Instant coffee is an abomination. Give me the real thing and nobody gets hurt.
"Do. Or do not. There is no try" -- Yoda
VP of the Afra Lyon fan club!
granath is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 28 2006, 04:09 PM   #3
edith
Dragonrider


Weyrwoman
 
edith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Delft
Gender: F
Fan of: Most of them :)
Now Reading: Don't You Have Time To Think- RP Feynman
Default Re: How do dragon's die

that goes under human related really- it's the rider's fault. below ground is White dragon I think, cos the hold kids keep teasing Jaxom about it.

Here's one?
If a dragon panics if its rider is badly hurt is that a dragon or a human cause?
edith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 28 2006, 04:10 PM   #4
Kath
Starsmith


Weyrwoman
 
Kath's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Oop North

Fan of: Moreta
Default Re: How do dragon's die

Quote:
Originally Posted by edith
In the thread SoP ending, the issue about dragons dying came up.
So, how can dragons die.

So far I can divide it into 2 main catagories

Death due to dragon related causes (ie accident)
Death due to Human related causes (ie rider dies)
I'd add a third: natural causes, leading to the unavoidable death of either rider or dragon. Or maybe leave the categories altogether, and keep it as a list.
Quote:
there are lots of variations within these, so, what can people think of?
Okay, in my "natural" category, I'd place everyone who died as part of the two major plagues in Moreta and Dragonsblood - with the exception of the ones where human action was directly responsible, i.e. those whose riders transported the sick feline.

Duluth's death - well, that's two things really. Sloppy visualisation/inexperience (and you can add the unknown weyrling mentioned in dragonflight to that batch), but also pure random bad luck - the human error of the sled pilot.

C'gan/Tagath - again, lack of experience/improper training for the job. It may have been due in part to their advanced age, but there was a good reason why they weren't part of the main wings. I don't know whether that counts as human or dragon error.

Larth - dragon error, really.

Wirenth/Prideth - mixture of factors again. Both human partners were directly responsible for what occured, to varying degrees, but the dragons did the actual fighting.

Nemorth - Human failure (died of ill-health).

F'lon's dragon - Human failure (killed in a brawl)
Mumble - the weyrwoman before Jora/Nemorth. Didn't she get cancer? I think we see a few of these cases.

Anyway, I'll let someone else carry on from here.
Kath is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 28 2006, 04:22 PM   #5
Spaceman Spiff
Inactive
 
Spaceman Spiff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Gender: M
Fan of: PERN!!!
Now Reading: Lord of the Rings
Default Re: How do dragon's die

Quote:
Originally Posted by granath
There's one other category, faulty visualization by the rider. The rider doesn't die and kill his or her dragon, just visualizes badly so that the dragon either doesn't come out of between at all (Moreta & Holth) or emerges below ground and effectively suffocates (happened to a weyrling just learning to fly in DDawn, I think).
Can't recall that from DDawn, but it happened with a weyrling in DBlood which ties in with a mention from F'lar (I think) in one of the 9th Pass books, I forget which. But it wouldn't just suffocate them, it would CRUSH them. Depending on the density of the ground, how deep they are and what the ground is made of that they appear in - if in just soil, near the surface, then the displacement MIGHT not kill them outright, they'd suffocate. Or if RIGHT under the surface, they might be able to climb out with just some broken bones maybe. But if in very dense ground or rock, it wouldn't displace much at all, all the pressure would crush them and kill them immediately.
Spaceman Spiff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 28 2006, 06:00 PM   #6
Brenda
Senior Member
 
Brenda's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: St. Louis
Gender: F
Default Re: How do dragon's die

In DF, F'lar tells Lessa the importance of coming out well above ground - they once found a pair entombed in solid rock.

C'gan tells Lessa, as he is dying, something about "too toothless to chew firestone and too old to dodge thread." He only went because there was NO ONE ELSE.
Brenda is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 28 2006, 08:04 PM   #7
Sandi
Senior Member

 
Sandi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Gender: F
Default Re: How do dragon's die

It is implied in many books that there are a number of dangers in riding dragons. The most frequent seems to be faulty visualization, but dropping off cliffs is also cited as being dangerous as well as lazy. I've sometimes wondered if mating flights could be dangerous as well. In their excitement the dragons could possibly fly too low or even collide. I don't remember reading this anywhere, just a bit of speculation on my part.
Sandi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 28 2006, 09:00 PM   #8
Spaceman Spiff
Inactive
 
Spaceman Spiff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Gender: M
Fan of: PERN!!!
Now Reading: Lord of the Rings
Default Re: How do dragon's die

Well, with the hundreds of thousands of mating flights over 2500 turns, I'm quite sure it would have happened sometime!
Spaceman Spiff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 28 2006, 11:42 PM   #9
Chimaerrha
Inactive
 
Chimaerrha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Gender: F
Fan of: Dragonriders of Pern
Default Re: How do dragon's die

They also can go between just because they don't want to live - i.e. Chendith.
Chimaerrha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 29 2006, 01:08 AM   #10
Myt
Crafter
Senior Apprentice
 
Myt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Wherever is home right now.
Gender: F
Fan of: Dragonriders of Pern
Now Reading: Something, always something...
Default Re: How do dragon's die

To go with faulty visualisation, the is also lack of visualisation, which is what happened to the pair in Dragonsblood.
Myt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 29 2006, 05:07 AM   #11
Kath
Starsmith


Weyrwoman
 
Kath's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Oop North

Fan of: Moreta
Default Re: How do dragon's die

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Well, with the hundreds of thousands of mating flights over 2500 turns, I'm quite sure it would have happened sometime!

Re: dangers of low flying, particularly in mating flights.
I'd have to agree that this is a serius source of danger, which could easily lead to injury and/or death.

[:Plug!: And I go into it in Dragon Days. Chapter 8 now up... ]
Kath is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 29 2006, 06:51 AM   #12
edith
Dragonrider


Weyrwoman
 
edith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Delft
Gender: F
Fan of: Most of them :)
Now Reading: Don't You Have Time To Think- RP Feynman
Default Re: How do dragon's die

There is deliberate death- either to dragon or rider, can't think of an example for rider at the mo, but, what happened with F'lon's death? I know it was a fight, but wasn't there some playing dirty there?
edith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 29 2006, 11:43 AM   #13
Kath
Starsmith


Weyrwoman
 
Kath's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Oop North

Fan of: Moreta
Default Re: How do dragon's die

Quote:
Originally Posted by edith
There is deliberate death- either to dragon or rider, can't think of an example for rider at the mo, but, what happened with F'lon's death? I know it was a fight, but wasn't there some playing dirty there?
Well, as far as the riders go, any time we see dragonriders duelling we have the potential for the death of an innocent dragon.

I can't think of any other examples as far as canon goes, but for some non-canon examples, look no further than Dragonchoice II.


Total change of subject - the title of this thread is REALLY bugging me. Any chance a host can fix the aberrant apostrophe?
Kath is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 29 2006, 01:05 PM   #14
edith
Dragonrider


Weyrwoman
 
edith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Delft
Gender: F
Fan of: Most of them :)
Now Reading: Don't You Have Time To Think- RP Feynman
Default Re: How do dragon's die

sorry!
I'm a bit distracted at the moment, and like my mouth my typing often escapes control. I noticed the abberrant apostrophe AND the fact I forgot the ? mark after I posted the new thread! :o
edith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 29 2006, 01:39 PM   #15
Cheryl
Master Archivist
 
Cheryl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland, USA
Gender: F
Fan of: Pern!
Now Reading: Paladin of Souls (Bujold)
Default Re: How do dragon's die

You know Kath, I just noticed that and was thinking about fixing it.
*scurries off with an eraser in hand*
__________________
Visit one of the other sites of Cheryl's Anne McCaffrey Triad:
Sariel's Guide to Pern: a detailed guide to the series
The Many Works of Anne McCaffrey: largest fan site about Anne and ALL of her works
McCaffrey Quest: annual trivia contest.
Cheryl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 29 2006, 04:42 PM   #16
ChrisG
Inactive
 
ChrisG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Ascension Island, South Atlantic Ocean
Gender: M
Default Re: How do dragons die?

In AtWoP, G'lanar's Lamoth went between in shame ... though that was also after G'lanar killed himself, so I'm not really sure what the 'in shame' bit means. Would Lamoth have suicided if G'lanar hadn't killed himself?

Kath, I don't remember a Weyrwoman Mumble with cancer. Weyrwoman Corala was taken with sickness--no mention of what kind--and Feyrith followed her into death. Very similar to the incident in TWD, where Weyrwoman Fanna of Ista died of some sickness, taking Mirath with her.
ChrisG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 29 2006, 05:03 PM   #17
monkeysrule
Firelizard
Hatchling
 
monkeysrule's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: High up a tree somewhere
Gender: F
Fan of: Monkeys
Now Reading: expensive textbooks!
Default Re: How do dragons die?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisG
In AtWoP, G'lanar's Lamoth went between in shame ... though that was also after G'lanar killed himself, so I'm not really sure what the 'in shame' bit means. Would Lamoth have suicided if G'lanar hadn't killed himself?
I thought G'lanar killed himself after Lamoth betweened. Because of it.
monkeysrule is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 29 2006, 05:07 PM   #18
edith
Dragonrider


Weyrwoman
 
edith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Delft
Gender: F
Fan of: Most of them :)
Now Reading: Don't You Have Time To Think- RP Feynman
Default Re: How do dragons die?

Nope, he tries to kill Jaxom, fails, kills himself and then Lamoth goes between.
edith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 29 2006, 07:27 PM   #19
Cheryl
Master Archivist
 
Cheryl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland, USA
Gender: F
Fan of: Pern!
Now Reading: Paladin of Souls (Bujold)
Default Re: How do dragons die?

Lamoth suicided in shame not because of shame -- i.e. that was the emotion he was feeling when he did it.
__________________
Visit one of the other sites of Cheryl's Anne McCaffrey Triad:
Sariel's Guide to Pern: a detailed guide to the series
The Many Works of Anne McCaffrey: largest fan site about Anne and ALL of her works
McCaffrey Quest: annual trivia contest.
Cheryl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 29 2006, 11:39 PM   #20
Chimaerrha
Inactive
 
Chimaerrha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Gender: F
Fan of: Dragonriders of Pern
Default Re: How do dragons die?

ATWOP onlines:

"I feel sorry for the dragon. Didn't know one would die of shame. You get dressed. I'll get you some klah.""




"Master Robinton was there himself and told me that Jaxom was victim, not assailant, and Lamoth died of shame that his rider would turn on another rider. Any more?""
Chimaerrha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 30 2006, 05:41 AM   #21
Hans
Master Archivist
 
Hans's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: The Netherlands
Gender: M
Fan of: Pern!
Default Re: How do dragons die?

That's semantics. Chimaerrha. The "dying of shame" in the sentence you quoted doesn't exactly mean that shame was the cause of death.

I think it's meant more like "dying of laughter"... a bad example, I know, but can't think of a better one
__________________
Hans, also known as Elrhan, Master Archivist

Visit The Pern Museum & Archives for all your Pern and Anne McCaffrey News and Resources!
The Pern Museum & Archives is the home of the Pern Encyclopedia and the Pern Bloodlines.
Hans is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 30 2006, 05:55 PM   #22
Brenda
Senior Member
 
Brenda's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: St. Louis
Gender: F
Default Re: How do dragons die?

I think there was a quote from Ruth - "Lamoth dies. In shame."
Brenda is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 30 2006, 06:47 PM   #23
monkeysrule
Firelizard
Hatchling
 
monkeysrule's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: High up a tree somewhere
Gender: F
Fan of: Monkeys
Now Reading: expensive textbooks!
Default Re: How do dragons die?

Still...Chim's quotes seem to lean towards Lamoth suiciding because he could not bear living with a lifemate that seeks the life of another rider.
monkeysrule is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 30 2006, 07:00 PM   #24
edith
Dragonrider


Weyrwoman
 
edith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Delft
Gender: F
Fan of: Most of them :)
Now Reading: Don't You Have Time To Think- RP Feynman
Default Re: How do dragons die?

but G'lamar's already dead or dying
edith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 30 2006, 07:33 PM   #25
Shalyn
Inactive
 
Shalyn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Loo-a-vull / Luhvuhl / Loo-ih-ville / Loo-a-ville / Looeyville / Lewisville Oh, Heck. Kentuckiana.
Gender: F
Fan of: Dragonflight
Default Re: How do dragons die?

Quote:
Originally Posted by edith
but G'lamar's already dead or dying
Right.

Maybe it's wishful thinking on the human's/dragon's part - that it's inconceivable a dragon would condone that type of act - so when he suicides, they prefer to think it's in shame, and not because he's suiciding just like any number of dragons before him because his human died!

Does that make sense?
Shalyn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 30 2006, 08:26 PM   #26
Chimaerrha
Inactive
 
Chimaerrha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Gender: F
Fan of: Dragonriders of Pern
Default Re: How do dragons die?

Of course, he knew when G'lanar died, and he floundered between somehow.

ATWOP online :hide:
Chimaerrha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 30 2006, 08:30 PM   #27
Myt
Crafter
Senior Apprentice
 
Myt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Wherever is home right now.
Gender: F
Fan of: Dragonriders of Pern
Now Reading: Something, always something...
Default Re: How do dragons die?

Wasn't he sleeping at the time? Did he go between from the ground?
Myt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 30 2006, 09:45 PM   #28
monkeysrule
Firelizard
Hatchling
 
monkeysrule's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: High up a tree somewhere
Gender: F
Fan of: Monkeys
Now Reading: expensive textbooks!
Default Re: How do dragons die?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Myt
Wasn't he sleeping at the time? Did he go between from the ground?
Any dragon can between from the ground. It's whether they come out ot not in flight that matters. And since Lamoth didn't plan on popping out, it didn't matter.
monkeysrule is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 30 2006, 11:10 PM   #29
Chimaerrha
Inactive
 
Chimaerrha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Gender: F
Fan of: Dragonriders of Pern
Default Re: How do dragons die?

"Lamoth had gone to sleep in the clearing, totally unaware of what G'lanar was doing here.


From ATWOP online.
Chimaerrha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 1 2006, 03:51 AM   #30
Spaceman Spiff
Inactive
 
Spaceman Spiff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Gender: M
Fan of: PERN!!!
Now Reading: Lord of the Rings
Default Re: How do dragons die?

Ok, I just gotta ask... why the need to stick "online" with it all the time? Even if you did get in from a digital book, what difference does it make whether it's online or paper, as long as the book is specified... no big deal, just wondering
Spaceman Spiff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 1 2006, 09:04 AM   #31
Chimaerrha
Inactive
 
Chimaerrha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Gender: F
Fan of: Dragonriders of Pern
Default Re: How do dragons die?

Ah. Good point... *sigh* I shall change it, then.
Chimaerrha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 1 2006, 10:17 AM   #32
Shalyn
Inactive
 
Shalyn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Loo-a-vull / Luhvuhl / Loo-ih-ville / Loo-a-ville / Looeyville / Lewisville Oh, Heck. Kentuckiana.
Gender: F
Fan of: Dragonflight
Default Re: How do dragons die?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Ok, I just gotta ask... why the need to stick "online" with it all the time? Even if you did get in from a digital book, what difference does it make whether it's online or paper, as long as the book is specified... no big deal, just wondering
Thing is, if she didn't stick the "online" in there, then people would be pestering for page number. An online book may or may not have the page number!

Though by now, most of us know that Chimmy gets all her info online
Shalyn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 1 2006, 02:58 PM   #33
ChrisG
Inactive
 
ChrisG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Ascension Island, South Atlantic Ocean
Gender: M
Default Re: How do dragons die?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hans
That's semantics. Chimaerrha. The "dying of shame" in the sentence you quoted doesn't exactly mean that shame was the cause of death.

I think it's meant more like "dying of laughter"... a bad example, I know, but can't think of a better one
I don't know about that. I agree that 'died of shame' sounds like a figure of speech, though figures of speech aren't meant to be taken literally—Lamoth is quite deceased. Now, Lamoth was a goner either way, but if a dragon can become so distressed by the death of his rider, might not a rider's actions also distress a dragon to the point of the dragon going between? 'Death before dishonor' and all of that?
ChrisG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 1 2006, 04:10 PM   #34
Brenda
Senior Member
 
Brenda's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: St. Louis
Gender: F
Default Re: How do dragons die?

I think that he went between in confusion and anguish, waking as his rider died; catching a glimpse of what his rider had been doing, his shame was what Ruth sensed as he went between.
Brenda is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 1 2006, 04:33 PM   #35
Dyna
Inactive
 
Dyna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Texas
Gender: F
Fan of: Dragonrider sagas
Now Reading: in between books
Default Re: How do dragons die?

Ugh....hound the topic to death. IMO - the dragon suicided because of the fact his rider was doing something a true rider - or dragon - would not dream of doing. It doesnt matter if his rider was dying or not, its the principle of the matter. If your mother, wife, husband...somone who was close to you...a part of you...went out and did something disasterous without telling you...how would you feel?

I feel that because of the link between the dragon and the rider, such an unthinkable action would make one feel so ashamed of their partner, that they would rather die than have to live through the consequences. Dragons are not capable of revenge, they were created to protect mankind...what better why to end a tradegy by removing oneself from it?

How does a dragon die...
Injuries too severe of the dragon to recover from (if capable, dragon suicides)
- what does one do with a dead dragon body?
Injuries too severe for the rider to recover from (dragon suicides)
Illness too severe for the rider to survive (dragon suicides)
Illness too severe for the dragon to survive (dragon suicides)
Age (dragon suicides)
Exhaustion (stays in between - technical suicidal error)

there you go....the number one way a dragon dies.....it suicides.

Dyna
Dyna is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 2 2006, 07:57 AM   #36
annachie
Inactive
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Australia
Gender: M
Fan of: Dragonsinger
Default Re: How do dragons die?

T'Kul's Salth suffered a heart attack during a mating flight, although there was no indication if Salth went between or not.
annachie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 2 2006, 08:06 AM   #37
Chimaerrha
Inactive
 
Chimaerrha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Gender: F
Fan of: Dragonriders of Pern
Default Re: How do dragons die?

He did, I think. I could be wrong.

TWD:

Canth says he was trying to fly Caylith and burst his heart!" Brekke answered the question, her shoulders sagging in new grief and a poignantly remembered tragedy. "The fool! He must have known that the younger dragons would be faster, stronger than poor old Salth!"
Chimaerrha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 2 2006, 08:49 AM   #38
Cheryl
Master Archivist
 
Cheryl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland, USA
Gender: F
Fan of: Pern!
Now Reading: Paladin of Souls (Bujold)
Default Re: How do dragons die?

Welcome to MoM, Annachie!

Nemorth didn't suicide between, she just died on the hatching sands with her eggs -- though that may have been a case of Anne not having created the whole rider-dies-dragon-suicides rule yet. Must have been fun to haul her out and bury her (or drop her between).
__________________
Visit one of the other sites of Cheryl's Anne McCaffrey Triad:
Sariel's Guide to Pern: a detailed guide to the series
The Many Works of Anne McCaffrey: largest fan site about Anne and ALL of her works
McCaffrey Quest: annual trivia contest.
Cheryl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 2 2006, 10:58 AM   #39
Chimaerrha
Inactive
 
Chimaerrha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Gender: F
Fan of: Dragonriders of Pern
Default Re: How do dragons die?

Could they do that, considering her bulk/
Chimaerrha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 2 2006, 11:04 AM   #40
edith
Dragonrider


Weyrwoman
 
edith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Delft
Gender: F
Fan of: Most of them :)
Now Reading: Don't You Have Time To Think- RP Feynman
Default Re: How do dragons die?

Two dragons grab hold of her
go between- it'll have to be low to the ground but that can't be helped, then, on the signal, drop her between then return
edith is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Collecting Highlight (12) - A Diversity of Dragons Hans Collecting Highlights Archives 26 Jun 15 2017 07:53 AM
His Majesty's Dragon by Naomi Novik Cheryl Beyond Anne McCaffrey 107 Aug 25 2015 02:55 AM
Meister Robinton's Tod Hans Deutsch - German 4 Apr 16 2006 05:33 PM
After Thread, would dragons die out? Chimaerrha Dragonriders of Pern 13 Apr 8 2006 01:51 PM
Anne McCaffrey Bücher auf Deutsch, eine Liste Hans Deutsch - German 0 Mar 3 2006 12:09 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:56 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

A Meeting of Minds forum owned by Cheryl B. Miller.
All references to worlds and characters based on Anne McCaffrey’s fiction are copyright © Anne McCaffrey 1967-2008, all rights reserved, and used by permission of the author.