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Old Mar 5 2009, 08:19 PM   #1
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Well I did a quick sketch of F'lar and we all had some fun with it.

Well how can you have F'lar without Lessa...so I decided to have some more fun with her.

Sooooo....Lets see how you like my quick sketch of what *I* think Lessa looks like.




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Wow. I want her hair.

I love how she looks young, but she's still got that intense, sort of care-worn look to her. It's gorgeous, Lin. ^^
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I agree with Dragongirl, Lady M. She really fits the descriptions Anne gives us in the books.
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I don't know that I'd want that hair, beautiful as it is. Looks like too much work to me! However, getting back to the drawing, this is someone who is used to getting her own way! Eerie and stunning as always!
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Well I think of it just before she braids iit in the books

Nice image Lady M.

She remids me of someone else but at this point I recal who, "shruging shoulders" here. Mind is to full of ideas right to bring into thought.
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Once again, this is amazing.

I love the expression in the eyes.
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Draogongirl...thank you so much Sammy, I was really hoping that this one would appeal to other MoMer's than just myself.

Kevia...thank you so much, I have been looking for this face for a very long time now...glad to know you enjoyed it.

Thank you kindly HS...I'm so glad you enjoyed Lessa. [I don't think I would like combing that much hair either......but Anne said "Cloud of hair"...so I tried to give her a cloud of hair...

Ginny...thank you for your compliment.

"R"...I appriciate your compliment...those eyes I have been looking for, for what seems to be forever...glad you liked them too.
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Whoops Maw......I just missed you...Thank you so glad your enjoying Lessa too
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This is definitely something. I actually like this better then I do F'lar's picture. Lessa's really got that look of "Don't mess with me or I'll chew your head off" (it's positively scary). Wonders what it'll be like if it was in colour as well???
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Ok, for a quick sketch I love this! (ok, I love ALL your work, Maelin!) It's killing me trying to figure out who she reminds me of.....oh, wait!.....LESSA! The look in her eyes is just perfect! Rather haunted looking yet there is a power there. Also the old soul in a young face thing.
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I definitely don't want that hair

A fine and beautitul sketch, Master MAelin, of a person that deifinitely could be Lessa
I particularly like the pose itself and the way she looks at us! If any real critique would be possible I'd say maybe she is too beautiful But I'll just imagine this is how she looked after having had a bath and wahing her hair in F'lar's weyr. And maybe that's why she has that particular look in her eyes, looking into the mirror and going "is that me?"

A great portrait!
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She's beautiful, love the hair especially. Her chin's right for Lessa, definitely. I'm not sure if she otherwise had a hard enough look to me -- this doesn't look like a woman who's arranged the demise of Fax and several warders. But it is close to the mark of my own imagination, if not quite on it.
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A fine and beautitul sketch, Master MAelin, of a person that deifinitely could be Lessa
I particularly like the pose itself and the way she looks at us! If any real critique would be possible I'd say maybe she is too beautiful But I'll just imagine this is how she looked after having had a bath and wahing her hair in F'lar's weyr. And maybe that's why she has that particular look in her eyes, looking into the mirror and going "is that me?"

A great portrait!
I agree with when it looks like the picture was made, but instead of her saying, "is that me." It looks more like when F'lar is returning, and she is saying, "What the heck does HE want?"

You definitely captured the "I had a hard life, but I'm a survivor" look.

Good Job LM!

Is there a real life person you based the portrait off of, she does look familiar, but I can't quite place her.

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WOW!!!! I do wish I had her hair the fullness to it. I do think that her expression is after she hears F'lar coming back after her bath.
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Oh, she looks like that actress from "Casino Royale" and "The Golden Compass"! I'm blanking on her name. Anyway, that's a beautiful sketch. I can totally see Lessa in that woman, with that serious expression and those gorgeous eyes.
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You have captured the soul of Lessa's character, Lady Maelin. I can see her depth in her face. Thank you for sharing.
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That's inspired! I am currently reading Dragonflight and that image will go with me later when I dive back into the book! Quick sketch or not, I can't think of anything that could improve her. She's wonderful!
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Is it Nicole Kidman, you're thinking of??

I'm still going WOW!!
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Y'all aren't thinkin' of Nicole Kidman, y'all are thinkin' of Eva Green, given the artist's previous statements.

Assuming Eva Green is the model, some smart alterations have been made to the chin and the degree of flesh, and the thickness of the neck to conform to Lessa's description.
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Well I did a quick sketch of F'lar and we all had some fun with it.

Well how can you have F'lar without Lessa...so I decided to have some more fun with her.

Sooooo....Lets see how you like my quick sketch of what *I* think Lessa looks like.




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Nicely done. Seems to owe something to Eva Green unsurprisingly. Looks like you leaned the features and turned the chin down instead of up, pulled the breadth out of the jaw, thinned the neck, and made the cheeks more gaunt.

I'd call it an outstanding rendering, circa DF and newly arrived or not long after arriving at Benden, before habitually queuing her hair. Very nice job catching the character's youth and delicacy. The eyes don't strike me in as defiant or imperious (or scary) of a way as some think (but them I'm not afraid of Lessa). This isn't quite the imperious Weyrwoman of a few years later. This is the woman-child who is more than a little blustery and bluff--playing at more control than she really has at the moment. You can see the cunning, but the full confidence isn't there...that comes later.
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Wow- you've obvously got the "compelling portrait" thikng down, Lady Maelin! Great job!

THIS is the look she gives F'lar not long after she arrives at Benden, has her bath, and then he objectifies her! (How dare he?!) He says something to effect of, "Hmmm- well, certainly pretty enough to placate F'nor." And she gives him THAT, and says, "F'nor must be placated at all costs?"

That line always makes me laugh! Go Lessa! Queens can too fly. Feminist, feminist.

And yes, I know that he was just "testing" her, to see if she'd make a good Weyrwoman or not.
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Jube...This is definitely something. I actually like this better then I do F'lar's picture. Lessa's really got that look of "Don't mess with me or I'll chew your head off" (it's positively scary). Wonders what it'll be like if it was in colour as well???
Jube...Thank you so much for you wonderful comment...I'm glad that you like this one better than that of F'lar, as this one is my idea of Lessa. I had to look long and hard for those eyes...and a face to match them.......color, my friend, aren't you ever satisfied ...thinking on it even before this one was finished.


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Becky...Ok, for a quick sketch I love this! (ok, I love ALL your work, Maelin!) It's killing me trying to figure out who she reminds me of.....oh, wait!.....LESSA! The look in her eyes is just perfect! Rather haunted looking yet there is a power there. Also the old soul in a young face thing.
Great job!!! I think your sketches are a hit.....to say the least!
Becky...well you have to start somewhere...and a quick sketch is the best way for me. Like I said above...I looked long and hard for those eyes, and that somewhat haunted look. I am so happy that you are enjoying this one so much. Thank you so much for your lovely compliment



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A fine and beautitul sketch, Master MAelin, of a person that deifinitely could be Lessa
I particularly like the pose itself and the way she looks at us! If any real critique would be possible I'd say maybe she is too beautiful But I'll just imagine this is how she looked after having had a bath and wahing her hair in F'lar's weyr. And maybe that's why she has that particular look in her eyes, looking into the mirror and going "is that me?"

A great portrait!
Hans...I knew years ago the one pose I wanted to draw of Lessa, when and if that is I ever found my Lessa. It is right after Lessa has taken her first bath in the weyr, yes... but the look is the one when she sees F'lar coming through the curtain, after he has been with Mnementh, not when she sees herself in the mirror. She was startled and somewhat afraid at first when she thought there was another woman in the room. When she sees F'lar, she is instantly wary of him, and gives him that look of " I am not a woman to be trifled with, I am Lessa of Ruatha". Oh and F'lar does say that she washes up *PRETTY*, so I would say that she is pretty, just in an odd delicate sort of way. Thank you kindly my friend for your compliment ...I am very glad you like this sketch.



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Cheryl...She's beautiful, love the hair especially. Her chin's right for Lessa, definitely. I'm not sure if she otherwise had a hard enough look to me -- this doesn't look like a woman who's arranged the demise of Fax and several warders. But it is close to the mark of my own imagination, if not quite on it.
Cheryl...thank you for the compliment and the thoughtful comments. Anne said she had a *Cloud of hair*,and this was as close as I could come to that.


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GHarris...I agree with when it looks like the picture was made, but instead of her saying, "is that me." It looks more like when F'lar is returning, and she is saying, "What the heck does HE want?"

You definitely captured the "I had a hard life, but I'm a survivor" look.

Good Job LM!

Is there a real life person you based the portrait off of, she does look familiar, but I can't quite place her.
GHarris...your spot on with when the look is...and just about what she was saying with that look in her eyes. Thank you for your comments and compliment...glad you like this one

It's Eva Green...!!!


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Thank you so much for your lovely compliment...and your right as I said above...it is when F'lar is coming back after her bath.


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Thistlerose...Oh, she looks like that actress from "Casino Royale" and "The Golden Compass"! I'm blanking on her name. Anyway, that's a beautiful sketch. I can totally see Lessa in that woman, with that serious expression and those gorgeous eyes.[
Hello Thistlerose...welcome! Yes she's Eva Green...with some very slight alterations in her chin, to make it a tiny bit more pointed like Anne described ...but not a touch in her incredible eyes or the rest of her face. In my opinion she's perfect for the role. Those are Lessa's eyes to me...and especially the looks that she can give with them. I knew it when I saw her in *Casino Royale* for the first time...I could hardly wait to sketch her. Glad that you agree with me about her...I think she would be a fantastic Lessa, in the *someday* movie, as long as they don't wait to longThank you so much for your wonderful compliments


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Multi...You have captured the soul of Lessa's character, Lady Maelin. I can see her depth in her face. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you so very much for that incredibly lovely compliment...to put the soul of a person in a drawing is so very difficult...you honor me.


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Sandi...That's inspired! I am currently reading Dragonflight and that image will go with me later when I dive back into the book! Quick sketch or not, I can't think of anything that could improve her. She's wonderful!
Thank you dear friend, for that very lovely compliment...as I am also nose deep into the Dragonriders of Pern, and I had already finished this drawing, I have been seeing her throughout the stories. It made my *mind movie* so much better this time around, to have a real face to put to her.


Assuming Eva Green is the model, some smart alterations have been made to the chin and the degree of flesh, and the thickness of the neck to conform to Lessa's description.

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Yes as you have also guessed, it is Eva Green as I stated above...not surprising at all to you as we have been debating back and forth over this and another young woman for what seems to be ages now... Yes I did point the chin, but only a very, very little. The rest really is her... she is quite thin, but I might have deapened the shadows in her cheeks a tiny bit more as Lessa was somewhat starved at this point...eating only scrapes and very little of that. The jaw and neck are all Eva...she is a very thin person naturally and in my opinion she has quite a lot of natural looks that lend herself to Lessa very well. [old debate re-hashed once again...

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ElectricDragon...I'd call it an outstanding rendering, circa DF and newly arrived or not long after arriving at Benden, before habitually queuing her hair. Very nice job catching the character's youth and delicacy. The eyes don't strike me in as defiant or imperious (or scary) of a way as some think (but them I'm not afraid of Lessa). This isn't quite the imperious Weyrwoman of a few years later. This is the woman-child who is more than a little blustery and bluff--playing at more control than she really has at the moment. You can see the cunning, but the full confidence isn't there...that comes later.
Yes I have always had in mind the time right after she arrived at the weyr, for my portrait of Lessa. I have to disagree with you again about the eyes...as to me they are one of the biggest reasons I pick Eva...the eyes were Lessa's greatest window into her thoughts and mind...and Eva's eyes really impressed that on me. To me the Lessa of later stories, is a different Lessa from that strong independant *Woman Child* she came to the weyr as. That older Lessa would be a much differnt looking person...calmer, more confident woman, without all the shadow of years of defense, cunning ,the sadness of what had to be done and what she had seen and lived through.
I do thank you so very much for you insightful comments and your very generous compliment...especially knowing you have your mind set on someone else for Lessa.
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I'm never satisfied , I just go with the flow besides I do like most of your drawings and what keeps one person happy, doesn't mean someone else likes it. What I like in art, doesn't mean you have to like it - it's called expressing your interest or disinterest in what the picture means to you.

With F'lar's picture, there was some parts of him that I did like but not enough to "draw" me into saying it was fantastic, it just didn't grab my attention like Lessa's did. To me, F'lar looked like an everyday normal person. Lessa didn't, she certainly grabbed one's attention, pretty much straight-away - very much like the Ruatha Gather sketch that you did.

That's the thing about critiques, you're always going to get the good, the bad and the ugly - sorry but that's the way I feel.
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Yes as you have also guessed, it is Eva Green as I stated above...not surprising at all to you as we have been debating back and forth over this and another young woman for what seems to be ages now... Yes I did point the chin, but only a very, very little. The rest really is her... she is quite thin, but I might have deapened the shadows in her cheeks a tiny bit more as Lessa was somewhat starved at this point...eating only scrapes and very little of that. The jaw and neck are all Eva...she is a very thin person naturally and in my opinion she has quite a lot of natural looks that lend herself to Lessa very well. [old debate re-hashed once again...


Yes I have always had in mind the time right after she arrived at the weyr, for my portrait of Lessa. I have to disagree with you again about the eyes...as to me they are one of the biggest reasons I pick Eva...the eyes were Lessa's greatest window into her thoughts and mind...and Eva's eyes really impressed that on me. To me the Lessa of later stories, is a different Lessa from that strong independant *Woman Child* she came to the weyr as. That older Lessa would be a much differnt looking person...calmer, more confident woman, without all the shadow of years of defense, cunning ,the sadness of what had to be done and what she had seen and lived through.
I do thank you so very much for you insightful comments and your very generous compliment...especially knowing you have your mind set on someone else for Lessa.
It's not Green's appearance that I really object to so much; it's her acting. She has completely failed to impress me in that regard, and all this did start with a casting question.

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Green's gaze has always struck me as not-quite-right for Lessa and more dependent on eye shadow than acting talent. Mira Furlan has the knack of an imperious stare if you're looking for an example of what I mean. Actually, if Mira was 30 years younger, she'd be perfect for the part if a couple of inches tall (5'6"). Some of the stills from her early film career really show features like those described for Lessa (narrow chin, big eyes, dark hair, somewhat gaunt). Now, Mira up against an appropriate actor of her era as F'lar and I can see their fights having some real spark!

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My read on Lessa was that she was never so confident nor deft as she pretended to be during her early career at Benden. She was a shadow warrior at Ruatha and comfortable in anonymity and disguise. She was a savage, furtive little tactician, but a poor and immature strategist.

Her bid to assert herself as Lady Holder of Ruatha was doomed from the moment she attempted it for lack of any viable basis of defending her claim against anyone willing to take it by force (that's what happens when you do too good a job as a guerilla, you take possession of a ruin you may not be able to hold)--unless she had the support of the dragon riders. And that she didn't have. The dragon riders had their own purposes. So she got herself smartly out-maneuvered by a more mature F'lar, who has always been her match for cunning and a much more patient strategist.

At Benden, she was dreadfully exposed. She couldn't hide and act with her usual freedom of action, because she was the center of all attention and because F'lar, F'nor, Mnementh, and Canth knew her secret and F'lar wasn't about to be fooled twice. Her attempts to flout the system and assert herself were clumsy and again showed a lack of talent as a strategist, but clever tactics. She fumbled the ball badly on the raiding and was really only saved from the consequences by Ramoth's timely flight and F'lar's elevation to Weyrleader. F'lar again displayed superlative strategic skills with his special operations strike against the rebellious Holds and his seizure of the Holders' families.

When Lessa finally learned to cooperate with F'lar, she finally began to mature (bearing in mind that her decade of guerilla warfare arrested her normal development) and she gradually became the more imperious and domineering Lessa of the later books. This was in no small part due to certain aspects of Ramoth's personality bleeding through. She also gradually matured as a strategist, but I'd never rate her the equal of F'lar in that regard. By DQ, Lessa has evolved into a more mature personality and has grown into her larger-than-life status by TWD.

So I don't see young Lessa as truly all that confident, especially out of her disguise at Ruatha. I see through a lot of bluff and bluster, perhaps bluff and bluster that she has more confidence in than she ought to, but a facade none-the-less. Older Lessa, yes, after a couple of chastening defeats that she learned from (always good tempering in life). [F'lar so totally kicked her ass strategically by getting her to bite on Impressing the queen...the author did a great job with Lessa's sullen resentment over that one.] Young Lessa can be intimidated and cowed. Older Lessa cannot. I see older Lessa as more independent, and more mature for not needing to flaunt that independence and voluntarily foregoing much of its unnecessary trappings.

Just my take on things. There are a lot of different views on characters. I knew one person who described Lessa as "a doormat" so there is obviously room for argument. Lessa has always been a favorite of mine and I'm actually disappointed that her character wasn't developed more in the later books. But then we wouldn't have had enough pages for Menolly and Sharra and many others, so it's a wash.

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And again, great illustration, fully worthy of the character. I don't have to inhabit the image with the actress to enjoy it.

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To me the look in her eyes says "Also, I can kill you with my brain."

Which, in a manner of speaking, she actually could....
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Jube...I was teasing you about you liking Lessa, so well that you wanted to see it in color. I was not at all rebuking you about your right of choice, or to make a critical comment about your choice...to each their own, everyone sees different things in art...that the joy of it. Sometimes I see different things in my own artwork, after I haven't lloke at it for awhile. I am sorry if you took my comment wrong...it wasn't ment as a criticism.
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ElectricDragon...WOW!!! I never thought of Mira Furlan...I love her, and yes she would have been perfect. I have watched her for years in *Babylon 5*, and she has all the passion of Lessa plus her vivid angry looks would peal the skin right off you. She looks so small in Babylon...must have been a lot of very tall men around her in that. I also just caught a glimpse of her in a *Lost episode, and she was again fantastic. Lord how did I miss her....[goes off to bang head against the wall]...

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I certainly agree with you here, in your analysis of Lessa. I do feel that she always had a decent amount of pride and confidence...no matter where she was or who she was around. I think what finally brought her to her senses was her realization of her own failings. I don't think she ever allowed herself to admit to them before she came to the weyr. She didn't have anyone but herself to depend on.
F'lar has always seems to be able to out-maneuver Lessa...he knows what he needs to have happen, and finds a logical and most often brilliant way to accomplish it...he is after all amazingly smart and incredibly good at strategy.
I believe that when she was at Ruatha, she felt more confidence...this was her home, and she felt the power of her vengeance with the death of her family still around her. When she came to the weyr, it was more like a fish out of water. This is where she would have started to realize just how much of her development had been sacrifice for her vengeance to be realized. Now she had to learn how to deal in a normal situation...and that was almost as much work, as she had gone through as a child.

She is also a most beloved character favorite of mine as well...I have always been in awe of her...and would respect her enormously if I were there on Pern, as part of Benden Weyr with her. She was an amazingly brave, strong and intelligent woman, and in my opinion...
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Anareth...well maybe not actually *kill* with her brain...or else she would have killed Fax the minute he got close enough.
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What ..... can't I make a comment without someone taking it the wrong way? Ooops if that's the case - sorry. I was merely making a comment that what I like, doesn't mean that someone else has to like it as it could be the complete opposite. Each of us likes different things and yes, we can agree or disagree accordingly, take it "as is" please, without getting upset about it.


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...I'm sorry but were they on something, by any chance? O_o;
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Wow, Lady M, that portrait is wonderful!

I'm curious, now. Since ED mentioned Mira Furlan and you agreed, is it possible (and I mean possible for you mentally, not meaning for you to actually do it) for you to do a different portrayal of Lessa? Or is this one engraved into your brain, so to speak? Because now I'm curious about how this other actress would turn out.

As always, this is a fantastic picture.
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Well, I was casting for the present, so I'm sorry I neglected to mention Mira Furlan earlier. If one wanted to do another rendering, per Shalyn's request, I'd recommend images from this site for inspiration:

http://www.mirafurlan.com

In the Gallery section under Film and under Theatre are a number of older photos, many black&white that show Furlan at a more appropriate age. She's currently 53, so anything from the Lost television show would be more problematic, as would anything from Babylon 5 due to the makeup and prosthetics, and she was in her late-30s and early-40s during that program's filming. Lessa circa DF is ~21-24; circa DQ ~31; circa TWD ~35-39.
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...I'm sorry but were they on something, by any chance? O_o;
I guess she felt that Lessa surrendered control to F'lar, but I never saw it that one-sidedly. And given that F'lar's power is legitimized entirely by his relationship to Lessa (via their dragons), whether Lessa chooses to flaunt it or not, she does hold the trump. For someone wishing to maintain a harmonious long-term relationship, it's smart not to flaunt a trump. That will kill a relationship double-quick.
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To me the look in her eyes says "Also, I can kill you with my brain."

Which, in a manner of speaking, she actually could....
Not if they know what she can do and are aware of themselves, the way F'lar catches her out. And IIRC Robinton is eventually aware on some level of her capabilities and on guard against them.
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Shalyn, thank you kindly for your compliment. I always try to keep my mind open to other members suggestions for character faces.

I find myself looking for the right faces all the time...but I can't even guess how many I haven't been able to see or find so far. I look until a certain face or look says thats it to me. So I enjoy seeing what others think would make a good Pern face.

When I saw Eva Green just recently, in two of her movies...I suddenly saw Lessa. Thats generally how it happens to me...by accident. I even find myself looking at interesting peoples faces in the stores, malls or wherever I happen to be...Its a good think I love faces and find them endlessly facinating.

Mira Furlan, I still need to go and look at her photos, but I have watched her in all my *Babylon 5* for years and years...and she would do an excellent job...if she was a few years yonger. For my personal portrait, I might just have to give her a try, and see how she looks. So far though, I am very happy with how many people have also seen Lessa in the quick sketch, portrait I have up here. I do want my Lessa, to look as close as possible to the books...so others opinions of how she appears, really matters to me.
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ED...Thank you for the link to Mira's site...I like some of the older photos like you suggested, but for what I have in mind for a portrait, I will have to look a bit further.
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Re: Wow.

Sadly, I appear to have the eye of an artist, and the hand of a troll.

Similarly, I have the ear of a musician, and the only instrument I can play is the on-switch on the stereo.

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Re: Furlan.

I find Mira Furlan to be absolutely delightful as an actress and a personality. Her performance on Babylon 5 was thoroughly enjoyable and she got one of the best lines:

"Only one human captain has ever survived battle with a Minbari fleet. He is behind me. You are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else."

And she got plenty of crafty, humorous lines, especially in the relationship scenes with Boxlietner. Those are always fun for couples to watch--very well written and very well delivered. (Unlike too many Western actors, Furlan has been married for quite some time and I've no doubt that contributes to her convincing performance.)

Of course, the absolute best lines went to Claudia Christian, but it's only to be expected. Her character was God...and Death Incarnate. Hard to compete with those two. The other "minions" also got some great writing, including Stephen Furst, Bill Mumy, Julie Caitlyn Brown, and Jason Carter. Brown was absolutely priceless as a foil for Andreas Katsulas and badly missed when she had to give up the part, apparently due to an allergy to the extensive make-up and prosthetics.

Of course, Katsulas and Jurassic were completely over-the-top in their roles. I can still hear Jurassic's wonderfully contrived accent and syntax declaiming "What is it now, you moon-faced assassin of joy?" And Katsulas...masterful; may he rest in the warm glow of his justly earned acclaim; truly a craftsman. (And you can just about hear his character saying something like that, can't you?)

Also enjoyed Patty Tallman (her personality reminds me of another favorite, Andrea Parker). The lethal potential of her character was something that really deserved more time than it got. And thinking of "teeps," the role of Alfred Bester was the complete rehabilitation of Walter Koenig. I think more people will remember him as the most hated villain of B5 than his obnoxious token role on Star Trek. He played Bester with such relish, that you could actually see Bester's point of view...albeit, the fun-house mirror of the House of Horrors view, but you could see it--and it made you want to take a decontamination shower afterward, complete with scrubbing your skin raw. Major respect for Koenig after that. Major.

And Penn&Teller as Rebo&Zooty...

As you can tell, I obviously hated B5...

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