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Old Jan 4 2017, 02:01 PM   #1
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I was wondering whether 'we' could talk to Todd and Ginny about publishing a book of the best of the fan-fic. Todd seems to have given up on Pern to do other things, and Ginny's proposed book seems to have gone down a blackhole.

I know what Anne's rules were, but she's been dead some time, and even she authorised "Unicorn Girl" which was basically fan-fic even if professionally written.
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It would be a good idea, and I'm sure there are soem good fan created fiction out there. I know I've run across one or two here and there but i think it would depend on getting clearence from whomever owns the rights to Annes works now and whether a decent enough anthology of such works could be put together in order for a Publisher to even consider doing it.
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If we got permission from 'The Estate of Anne Innes McCaffrey' we could self-publish the way we did '40 Years of Pern'.
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It might be fun. How do we get permission?
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I guess we must be cheeky and ask Todd.

Of course; we then have to decide of what 'good' fan-fic consists.

Does it have to be 'canon'?

Do we include cross-over stories? (There's one somewhere involving Doctor Who)
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I prefer canon
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I'd say email Todd - and his sister's name is Gigi, not Ginny
But I don't think he'll consent... But if you don't try you'll never know.
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If this were to work, you do realise we may set a precedent for other such Fan Fiction Publications (if it hasn't been done before).
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Anne seems to have inspired far more than many other 'traditional' sci-fi masters. I haven't been able to locate much from fans of Heinlein or Asimov.
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Heinlein seemed to develop his characters so as to not inspire others to take them any further. For instance, there's one named Harrison who is sort of the focus of one short story. He's a mathematical genius of sorts who by the end of the story does calculations in his head for landing the spacecraft when the computer goes out. Years later (literally, not just in story-timeline) he pops up again in one or two of the Lazarus Long books.
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Yeah; I remember him.

Mind you the Heinlein Foundation does dish out bursaries to science students.
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But that makes it the latest in a long line of Harrison Fords that date back to the early 1960s, when I bought my first Ford, a 1956 Customline.
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Well . . . they were living in Anglia, but have retired to Capri.
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A few years ago I read a fanfic called Dragonchoice. There were 2 volumes. Can anyone remember who wrote it or if they wrote any more? I would have to have gotte the link from here or the NKT.
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They were written by Faye Upton (Girlslick on this site) and all THREE full length illustrated novels are available at http://www.dragonchoice.com/dragonch...rn-fanfiction/
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They were written by Faye Upton (Girlslick on this site) and all THREE full length illustrated novels are available at http://www.dragonchoice.com/dragonch...rn-fanfiction/
Thanks for the link and the info. I really enjoyed the first two and am looking forward to the 3rd. If other people haven't read them I definitely recommend them. They are canon and placed in an interval with all new characters in a different weyr.
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You might try mine as well. I've just posted the whole collection in the Writers' Forum in AMFF.
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I'll be sure to check them out but tonight I'm curling up with Dragonchoice 3.
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I only ever had one go at writing a short Pern Fic. It's still up on AMCF I think but is also at my FF.Net page as well.
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I'm personally skeptical that they'll give permission, since every thing I ever read about the matter in the past pointed to wanting to make sure the copyright and such are firmly in AMC's children's hands (which is reasonable, it makes sense to provide for one's family after one is gone!). As I recall there were strict rules that Pern only be written by McCaffreys. I know that some of the older fans who were involved in the fandom before me have indicated there were some good reasons for them to be vigilant about this due to being burned in the past.

I suppose if they did want to go an open-world route, they could get in contact with Mercedes Lackey, and follow her example, as she's been publishing fan-made Valdemar stories in collections for a while now and probably has her process down pat.

Given the Pern fandom is very moribund even with recent re-releases over the past 10 years, there could be incentive to get it going again with a book of Pern stories by other authors...if they could find enough writers that aren't bitter about the formerly strict fanfic rules. (Like, it's gonna be hard to recruit a writer who got slapped with a nastygram in the past.)

So yeah. I'm overall skeptical that they'd want to do this.

But then, I could be surprised--I'm not a fan of Todd's work, but on a personal level, I also haven't gotten any nastygrams from his lawyers and such, and for one or two of my works on AO3 I could reasonably expect plenty of Disapproval given historical fanfic rules.

So Todd's been tolerant, despite holding the rights and releasing new books, and while I don't know if it's due to personality/personal philosophy or due to someone advising how bad a new round of nastygrams could backlash very badly in today's fandom climate, maybe doing a book of Pern-inspired fanfic is something he/the AMC estate would consider. ::shrug::
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Just on an interesting note, I'm currently going throught the Harper Hall books ATM and my memory was jogged about an interesting Fan Fic I read sometime last year. It had Menolly as a Blue Dragonrider.

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I remember that one. There's also one where she, rather than Jaxom, impresses Ruth.
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I formulated a story, years and years back (decades, actually) about a black dragon.

It started because of a line in The White Dragon about Ruth having a slight iridescence to his hide that made him look like he had all dragon colors in him. White light is all light colors together, but if you are talking pigments, then black is all colors mixed together.

The story started when Jaxom and Felessan accidently discovered a long lost room in the weyr containing a suspended animation capsule with one of the original oldtimers in it.
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I formulated a story, years and years back (decades, actually) about a black dragon.

It started because of a line in The White Dragon about Ruth having a slight iridescence to his hide that made him look like he had all dragon colors in him. White light is all light colors together, but if you are talking pigments, then black is all colors mixed together.

The story started when Jaxom and Felessan accidently discovered a long lost room in the weyr containing a suspended animation capsule with one of the original oldtimers in it.
Sound likemore time of Dragonsdawn and The Chronicles of Pern: First Fall technical wise.
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I wrote the one where Menolly Impresses Ruth - it's called Dragonsong: An Alternate Tune. Here and at Ao3.

I would vote for Dragondays, a viable sequel to Dragonsdawn.
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I think I remember reading that some time ago Brenda. Must go look it up again at some stage.
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Slightly alternate, with more females on greens than in any of Anne's books. I really enjoyed the first two and I'm currently reading the third. This deviates much more from established canon, though. That said, I found it just as readable as the other two.
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Slightly alternate, with more females on greens than in any of Anne's books. I really enjoyed the first two and I'm currently reading the third. This deviates much more from established canon, though. That said, I found it just as readable as the other two.
Granath, I totally agree, If it weren't for the continuation of the characters it could almost be a stand alone book. Even though it is so different and canon is really stretched in some aspects I did still enjoy it and the writing in some of the most exiting scenes really had me right on the edge of my chair. (Literally, I often read ebooks sitting at my computer, not just books or my tablet.)
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I hope nobody objects; but, just in case we finally lose this site, I'm gradually downloading an archive of all the fanfic prose and poetry from the Exhibition Hall.

I may well include compositions from NKT that are not duplicated across the sites.
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Old Feb 2 2017, 12:41 PM   #38
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I object, P'ter.

We have control over our own fanworks here. As soon as you start curating a collection, that control is lost. What you do in the privacy of your own hard-drive is up to you - and by all means store copies for your own amusement! - but please don't call it an archive, or make it available to others, or imply that you'd ever be a source for distributing the fanworks of other people.
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If we got permission from 'The Estate of Anne Innes McCaffrey' we could self-publish the way we did '40 Years of Pern'.
No no no no no. Please no. I wouldn't *ever* want anything I'd written as a fanwork to be sold for profit (or even at cost), with the unlikely exception of being solicited by Anne's estate prior to writing - and to be honest, they'd be far more likely to go for the share-cropping style of Anne's co-authored titles.

Fanfic by its very nature is in a messy legal area - that goes without saying - and we already HAVE a massive archive with the full legal weight (such as it is) of the OTW behind it. For many writers fanfic is also a very different style of writing, and not representative of their marketable work. There's a reason why Naomi Novik, Marie Brennan, and dozens of other pro writers post their work under pseudonyms on AO3.

If you *do* want a record/database of Pern fic out there, here're the lists I'm managing (complete, over 1k in length, english language, identifies characters). Note that these provide *links* to the public archives...

http://chesneycat.livejournal.com/237802.html
http://chesneycat.livejournal.com/235167.html AO3 pern stories
http://chesneycat.livejournal.com/226575.html AO3 pern crossovers
http://chesneycat.livejournal.com/226922.html FFnet pern stories
http://chesneycat.livejournal.com/228964.html FFnew pern crossovers
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While we're on the subject of fanfic, is there an update to the rules of fanfic, since I clicked on the link and it was completely dead.

My fanfic "Holdless" was on the New Kitchen Table, but never cross-posted to this board.
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