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Old Sep 22 2019, 09:05 AM   #5081
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So I get home from showing my granddaughter and her friend around town on Friday and check out my mail-box, garden and car-park, which should be empty. It isn't. There's a classic Morgan 4/4 parked in it. Long, low, sleek, mostly engine with air-vents all down the top and sides of the bonnet, a soft-top very neatly tucked down and a spoked wheel tucked under a luggage-shelf style thingy on the back. The extremely classic - and expensive - British car looks very odd alongside the Toyotas and Hondas in the rest of the carpark. Nobody in the other flats knows anything about it or has ever seen anything like it. Eventually my son - who is also my landlord - explained that he had given permission for it to be parked there.
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Old Sep 22 2019, 09:59 AM   #5082
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Shame it wasn't a gift to you from him, isn't it!
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Old Sep 24 2019, 08:01 PM   #5083
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Dr. said foot is healed. The couple of things that still bother will stop, eventually.
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Dr. said foot is healed. The couple of things that still bother will stop, eventually.
Good to hear that's at least mostly cleared up now, sorry it's been such a frustrating journey.

Not been much going on here of note really in the last week or so as boring real life has been keeping me pretty busy. There's an endless to do list for the house and cars, the latter of which I did manage to grab an hour to work on towards the end of the week.

Main thing done since the last update has been finally getting the dashcam fitted to the van. It obviously wasn't doing any good sitting in a box on a shelf where it had been for a few weeks. I despise having obviously modern stuff stuck all over an older vehicle but given some of the nonsense I've seen on the roads lately (including a few near run ins with what was obviously someone trying to run a crash for cash scheme - cutting in front of you on a 70mph dual carriageway then slamming on the brakes in a car with no working brake lights) I just decided that it was necessary for peace of mind.

The unit I went with in the end tucks away pretty discreetly behind the rear view mirror and isn't really conspicuous.





It's visible from the passenger side in the cab, which is pretty unavoidable.



However is more or less invisible from the driver's seat so I'll call that a win.



Getting the wiring for that routed was an absolute pain. The term "solidly built" definitely applies to the cab of this vehicle...so getting enough slack in the headlining to move the edge the 1/8" or so necessary to tuck the wiring away required quite a bit of dismantling. Both sun visors, the rear view mirror base bracket, passenger side grab handle, driver's side grab handle blanking plates, both door seals all had to come out. Power is coming from a splice into the dashboard 12V socket into an additional socket tucked away behind the fuse box. Will make it easier for me to swap things out in the future rather than directly hard wiring it into the vehicle loom.

While I had the cab somewhat in bits I also turned my attention to this.



It's the sonar detector head for the original alarm system. This is totally redundant as a far more modern and discreet system has been installed (plus a couple of personal improvements to what I felt were shortcomings in it out the box). I had left this in place though as removing it would have left three holes in a really obvious location on the top of the dash.

Having had a bit of a think I decided that this was something I could replace the defunct alarm sensor with which would also do something at least vaguely useful.





Doesn't look like something you would be surprised to see in a camper designed for exploring I reckon. Yes it's a bit tacky, but it's better than a hole in the top of the dash and doesn't scream "hey this vehicle only has an alarm from 1990 still fitted" quite so loudly.

Also yes, the dash really is that filthy... really need to give the cab a good valet.
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Old Sep 29 2019, 06:44 PM   #5085
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A compass, Strange thing about these, unless you have the knowledge of where you are on the planet and which direction you need to travel to get where you need to go, they are 100% useless to get you un-lost( other than to stop yourself from walking in Circles). I have met people who have no clue as to which direction ( N,S,E, OR W ) they need to go to get home, or even to someplace they know, if they are at a place they have never been before. I call them Directionally Challenged.
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Changing jobs again, the 12 hour rotating shifts and 80 minute round trip every day are over. found a new job only 10 minutes each way, which will pay more after 90 days also. Start Tuesday morning.
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I'm trying to learn to post photos like Zelandeth.

Looks like I've figured it out, at least so far!
I'm sure some of you remember Sharon or Sharon Coffee Fiend from the Kitchen Table. This was the necklace I made for her that she wore to the Ren Faire the year she died.

This is one of my favorite photos I took when we went to Wyoming in 2013. It was taken at Flaming Gorge, Utah.
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Beatiful necklace.
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Thank you, Michelle. Remember this one?

Dragonback weave, in case anyone else is wondering.
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This was a Pan collar necklace I made several years ago. I not only made the necklace, but I hand made every ring in it. I have no idea how many hours I had in it, but I plan on making another one with smaller aluminum rings that will be lighter. I haven't decided on a color yet.
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Old Oct 5 2019, 07:52 PM   #5091
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Glad to see you've got to grips with posting the images Allen. Sorry I've not had a chance to get back to with the how to, though you seem to have got it worked out. ImgBB is pretty intuitive at least, one of the big plus points for it I think compared to Flickr etc.

I will still try to get a how to written at some point though just because it would be a useful document to have around if anyone else asks the question I think...

I was lucky enough to get a chance to take a trip down memory lane last weekend in automotive terms.

There was a show at my local museum, however it was BMC themed...and I currently lack any BMC motors (even though the Invacar contains large portions of stuff from their parts bins I figure it probably didn't count!)...so couldn't take a car. Well so it seemed until a friend mentioned they had several potential vehicles appropriate for the show and offered the opportunity to assist.

I immediately jumped at the chance to take the reigns of this.



Must have been fifteen years since I was last in an MGB, possibly longer since I'd driven one. My memory was that I'd been rather smitten with Craig's roadster though back then...even though I was a very green and somewhat nervous driver. I'd pondered whether a "B" should be on my shopping list at some point, but seemed a good idea to drive one again before deciding that.

Yes I know they're everywhere and some people seem to love to hate them because of that...but C'mon how's it possible to not like the view from here...



Or here...



The owner described the car as "a rather tired and rough" example. Has 104K miles on the clock and has never been subject to a restoration so wasn't expecting miracles...Need not have worried, I'd dispute the claim as to condition and instead would have said she's a lovely old thing with whom I got along swimmingly. Drives better to be honest than I remembered Craig's one doing. I had forgotten quite how difficult it is to get in or out while retaining any degree of dignity though simply because you seem to sit several inches below the surface of the road. Once you're in though it's comfy. Goes well, sounds good, rides well, nice gearchange, nice communicative steering, looks fantastic, what's not to like? Only bit I didn't enjoy was the bit where I had to hand the keys back!

Yep...I think an MGB definitely needs to be on fleet at some point. Only downside to this one is it's the wrong colour. Though British Racing Green is second on the list... ideally would be Snapdragon Yellow though. Had a very early Mini Metro in that colour which I have many fond memories of, so would be a nice nod to the memory of that car. Would prefer an early car like this one, not so much that I've anything against the rubber bumper look exterior (though it's not that hard to change that if you're so inclined I imagine), but that I far prefer the earlier style dash and interior.

If anyone would like to swap a Lada Riva for an MGB...you know where I am.

For those who are interested, rather than posting a hundred odd images in this thread, here's a link to my ImgBB Album for the event which you're welcome to have a look through.

Back to my actual fleet. Not really had a chance to do much lately but finally did get a free half hour this evening before the light faded, so wanted to do something useful.

The one thing which has really been making the van look extremely shabby is the paintwork on the nearside. The offside is really dull and in need of a polish, but that's it. The nearside though has really nasty staining and what look to be runs from someone attacking it with TFR at some point. Seriously folks...don't do that to old school paint finishes like this.





There was also a black smear on the door which wouldn't shift.



I had previously attacked it with polish by hand to see if it would shift and hadn't managed to make any headway. Today though I was armed with cutting compound and a power polisher...so did that work any better?

What do you think?





Sorry...not a great photo as it was rapidly getting dark.

I reckon that's taken about ten years off it! Ran out of daylight so the white section below the rubbing strip in front of the door hasn't been done. Also haven't touched anything above that...I can still see a bit of the run pattern in the blue area bit it's far better. So I think one more skim over with the compound should get rid of it...then the whole side will be gone over with Autoglym Super Resin Polish and unreasonable amounts of wax to protect it.

The power polisher is a godsend dealing with a vehicle this size...shudder to think how long it would take me to cut, polish and wax this thing by hand!

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Old Oct 6 2019, 06:31 PM   #5092
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One thing which was obvious yesterday when working with the polisher was that the nearside rear corner was looking rather ratty because of the sealant between the side of the van and the bumper had disintegrated. This has been letting water get in behind there too which can't be a good thing.



Bit of fresh sealant has improved things - though it didn't go on quite as tidily as I'd hoped.



The bumper needs painting anyway so will need to come off at some point anyhow. As such I'm not worrying too much about it for now...keeping the weather out has priority.



Biggest issue I've been noticing in the last couple of week is a downright horrific squeaky rattle in the cab coming from the passenger door. This was rapidly driving me insane. The window winder on that door has never worked in my ownership of the van, though the window could be manually slid down by a couple of inches. So a suction cup had been employed to stop it from dropping open. I was pretty sure that the rattle and the dodgy window were most likely connected.

The moment I started stripping things down I immediately became suspicious. The screws holding the door handle on were cross threaded and this was found wedging the captive nut in place...



Yes, that's a self tapper held in place with blu-tac. This suggested to me that I was very likely to find that Billy the Bodger had been messing around in my door.

Yeah...I wasn't quite braced for what greeted me when the door card was removed.







Okay...that linkage should be straight. It's a good 2mm thick, so must have taken some serious effort to bend! This was wedged around the wrong side of the window runner and jammed against the base of the door, presumably to keep the window up. Cue a bit of investigation to try to figure out what on earth was going on.

This appears to be the root cause of the trouble.





This fits through the whole assembly, with the coil spring slotted into the back of it. Now I need to track down a diagram to ascertain whether something has broken off this or whether there's meant to be an external clip to hold everything together. It looks like there may originally been something involved with a square section involved.

Before I could do anything though I needed to try to get the linkage back into something vaguely resembling the right shape.

I've no idea how they bent it like that...but getting it back involved getting it cherry red with the MAPP torch and battering it with a 4lb lump hammer.



Better. Though they've managed to bend it in this axes too.



Don't think this will stop anything from working though.



This allowed me to reassemble things to prove that everything was there fundamentally - I stuck a bolt temporarily in the place of the aforementioned fastener just to hold everything together for testing purposes.



Well that looks a bit healthier doesn't it? You can see the scratches by the bottom of the window runner showing where the lifting quadrant used to be. The cable ties are locking things in place just now as the bolt through the middle allows a bit of movement so the winder doesn't reliably stay meshed with the teeth on the quadrant. As stated though this was purely a test.

I think once I've sorted that "thing" in the middle this should be back in action. The teeth on both the winder and the lifting quadrant look perfect, the runners all seem fine etc. Just need to figure out what bits are missing and replace them.

While I had the door apart I took the opportunity to make sure the drainage channels were clear in the bottom of the door and vacuumed thirty years worth of detritus out of the bottom of the door. The paint is flaking off quite badly in several areas, so it will shortly be getting drowned in rust convertor and cavity wax.

Reassembly required a little remedial work too as I'd mentioned earlier, the screws holding the grab handle on were utterly cross threaded and good for nothing but scrap.

Luckily the ones on the driver's door were fine so I was able to confirm the screws were standard M6 items. The nuts in the door responded fine to being chased out with a tap.



Suitable replacement screws were sourced from the drawer of random fasteners and the door put back together.



The suction cup previously holding the window up can go now...it was mainly being used to ensure the glass didn't drop on my head while I was working inside the door.

While I've not had a chance to take it out yet, it doesn't rattle at idle any more and now clonks shut rather than clatters shut...so hopefully will be quieter on the move. I do need to look at adding some sound deadening in the doors though as they do drum something rotten...I get the impression some Dynamat (or similar) could knock a huge percentage off the noise levels in the cab. Replacing some of that which has been removed from the bulkhead and floor when welding has been done in the past probably wouldn't go amiss either.
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Old Oct 7 2019, 07:26 PM   #5093
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Went out for a test run today to see how much quieter the cab was.

Had to break out the special swear words almost immediately as it became apparent that the squeak was in fact still cheerfully chirping away. Quick bit of investigation soon found the source.

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I'll need to delve a bit deeper tomorrow to figure out exactly what the culprit is and work out how to shut it up. Suffice to say it's a high priority as that's the sort of noise which will drive me round the twist in short order. Hopefully some fresh grease on the various moving parts, springs etc will shut it up.

The door needed to be pulled apart anyway though to investigate the window winder issues so it wasn't time wasted anyhow.

Speaking of the window winder I dropped by the Merc dealer today to see if they could track down a proper diagram of what should be in my door so I could confirm nothing else was missing and hopefully see how it was meant to be held together. Unsurprisingly their magical parts lookup system didn't even break a sweat looking this up for a 30 year old van.



This however shows me something I was half expecting - that something has actually broken. That odd pin thing which runs through both the lifting arm and winder quadrant should be permanently attached. The whole lot shouldn't come apart...as such bits of it aren't available separately.

At least I now know that. In itself that's useful as I can start thinking about how to manufacture a solution rather than just being able to pick one up.

Not going to waste too much time on it though (especially as the lifter arm is still slightly bent and I'm not totally sure if that will affect operation) as the whole winder/lifter assembly is available from Mercedes for £81 including the VAT.



Going to have a closer look at it though as I reckon it should be possible to fix it...given I've some other big bills coming up the window winder will need to wait if it needs a replacement. Anyhow it's firmly closed now and if need be can wait until the spring when I'll obviously want to be able to open the window again.

At least the dealer seemed happy to talk to me this time following on from their "no commercial vehicles" nonsense last time I was there. Not sure if something has changed since last time or if they just agreed with my opening line of "Hoping you can help me, given Intercounty are as much use as a chocolate teapot..."

Really wish I had access to their parts lookup system...
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I found this in my archives.

I have a baby dragon on my place. I'll have to see if I can get a photo.
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I have a baby dragon on my place. I'll have to see if I can get a photo.
I like that, definitely an image worth saving!
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I like that, definitely an image worth saving!
I got a glimpse of my baby dragon yesterday, and he's unicorn as well. Instead of being like the one in the photo, with two horns, he only has one. I'm still trying to get a photo.
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This afternoon I was cut off in mid sentence by our beloved RCD tripping out yet again. This has become an almost daily occurrence over the last couple of weeks, so figuring out what the heck was taking it out was high on my to do list. It was nothing obvious from a quick run round the house...so it was a matter of unplugging EVERYTHING and testing everything individually with the Megger and pray that eventually I find a suspect.

Well, I wouldn't have called this one...



Yep...an extension cord.

Roughly 0.75 Meg leakage from live to ground would do it. Bit of math suggests that would equate to 33mA of leakage. The rated trip current for the RCD is 35mA.

I expected a little bit of leakage to be apparent on these surge protected strips...but not that much! At least it's something cheaply replaceable.

Annoyingly, this strip while being a cheap thing to replace, was buried deep down the back of the bank of machines hosting my server and little distributed computing cluster...and getting to it meant hauling the whole lot out. Of course this then meant it would have been daft not to tidy things up while I was at it, given that several machines have been switched and swapped since I last had the corner in bits.

So I took the whole lot apart and rebuilt things.



The monitor is mainly there for the benefit of the tower down on the floor as it is frequently cranky about booting and requires me to poke it to get it to start (and is to be honest probably one failure away from the scrap pile). The rest are pretty much exclusively managed over the network. The electric heater is pretty much just something to keep the laptops off the floor too...no heating is really needed in there these days - the computers do a pretty good job of that.

Just after I was finishing that up the postie arrived with a package for me.

What on Earth? An eBay seller actually packaging things properly...I might die of shock.



This should be a nice little addition to the garage workbench.



Only a relatively little three litre one - but an order of magnitude better than the 0.6l one I already had. Should be big enough to clean most stuff that's sensitive enough to need it, just might need to do it in a few steps. I might look to upgrade to a 15 litre one at some point a few years down the line once everything is properly set up if I find myself tinkering more with old engines, but this will be really useful in the meantime.

Have only given it a really quick test in the kitchen to prove that it actually works. It does, and is plainly massively more powerful than the old one (which in fairness is really intended for jewellery etc rather than use in the garage). Look forward to giving it a proper test run in due course.
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Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one working on a PC. I replaced 5 worn out fans in mine a few days back. Now all 8 are working. There are 4 fresh air intake, 2 exhaust, and 2 on the CPU cooling grid. It's helping performance, since there were 3 intake, 1 exhaust, and the exhaust CPU fan that were bad.
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So today I did some gardening next to the public footpath. I dug up a 40-year-old agapanthus, a whole beer bottle, a couple of broken ones, a used plastic razor, an empty cigarette lighter, about half a bucket of archaeological grade plastic scraps - and a bluetooth speaker. Three short yellow flax bushes (phormiums) and some wood hyacinths went back in. Not bad, considering that I only bought one flax bush and I still have two small ones left over.
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