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Old Aug 1 2008, 01:49 PM   #1
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What does Gollee Gren *do*?

So, I've always been a bit confused about Gollee Gren's specific job. He seems to originally have been Reidinger's errand boy, when Afra was Rowan's twic. Later, he seems to have been promoted to Jeff's twic. But then, even later in the series, he's apparantly in charge of the FT&T's training and placement program. But you'd think, given how busy Afra at Callisto is, if Gollee was Jeff's twic, how could he possibly have time to be in charge of training and assignments and everything? Does Jeff have multiple twics?

Is Gollee a twic AND the director/manager/etc/ of training? Or did he get promoted to that position because Jeff trusts him? Does Jeff have a replacement twic? Or is Callisto so unique and so high-volume that Afra's cargo-shifting abilities are sorely needed which is why he doesn't have time for other duties? Capella doesn't have a visible twic, and Altair's "twics" are low-powered. David has his T-2 wife as his twic, but that may be because they're married, and we've never met her in a merge anyway so we don't know if she has additional duties.

Personally, I think AMC just needed some "insider" in Training so she could ship Damia off to Capella after Damia played stunts on Afra, so she chose Gollee, since he's the only other Talent we really know to be stationed on Earth that's not dead or a medic, but it does make things confusing.

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Tangent...anyone know of a scene in the Talent books where some character, possibly/probably Gren, had FT&T pins on his collar? That maybe were removed? I've had Gren remove pins from his collar twice in my fanfic, and I know the mental image I have of that is not from myself, but I don't recall where I picked up that character tic for Gren.
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Old Aug 1 2008, 04:57 PM   #2
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Jeff does have multiple twics/high Talent ranking assistants. At least Peter Reidinger did, and there's no reason to believe Jeff didn't. People do get promoted and switch jobs. I suspect that Jeff realized Gollee could be a lot more than he was when they were stationed on Callisto and he saw how good he was with kids, probably in the nurturing of Talent too.
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Old Aug 4 2008, 10:16 AM   #3
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IIRC, if Gollee were in one of the satellite Tower facilities (Callisto, Altair, Capella, etc) -- and not in Blundell -- he'd be both a twic and the (or a) Tower expediter.
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<snip>Tangent...anyone know of a scene in the Talent books where some character, possibly/probably Gren, had FT&T pins on his collar? That maybe were removed? I've had Gren remove pins from his collar twice in my fanfic, and I know the mental image I have of that is not from myself, but I don't recall where I picked up that character tic for Gren.
I think you may be (unconsciously remembering this:

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Gollee Gren. I'm supposed to be a T-4.
`On escort duty?' afra smiled back, remembering his service in the
same capacity on Capella.
`When no-one else is available,' Gollee said, not the least bit
disconcerted by such duties. `This way. You've got to clear security
and that takes time.
Even when it's obvious who I am?
Gollee shrugged, his grin droll. `Don't be offended.
They even go through the rigmarole for visiting Primes.' `Don't
lay it on too thick, Gollee. Primes don't visit.' `Well, you know what
I mean. Even T-2s get the treatment. No-one gets into the Great God
Reidinger without clearance.' Gollee had gestured towards the airy
shell of concrete and plasglas that formed the entrance to the huge
Blundell FT&T Agency Headquarters.
It did take time to clear security, scanners, retina search,
personal interviews - though it was clear they had afra's dossier on
screen as he was interviewed. afra was tempted to remark that a
telepathic check from any T-3 or 2
would allay any suspicions, but the attitudes of the T-8s
processing him suggested he'd better not interrupt the process with an
impertinence. The security guards did not have his height but
outweighed him by many kilos. They were especially concerned about his
origami and subjected it to so many tests that afra was alarmed that
they'd ruin the little gift.
`Surely you realize that it's only folded paper? Here!' He tore a
sheet from the pad on the desk and with practised skill, folded a
replica. `See?' The guards `saw' but were palpably unimpressed with
his dexterity, though Gollee was. Eventually they had to concede that
it posed no threat.
Finally the security badge was grudgingly handed over.
With a mental sigh of relief, Gollee led him towards the bank of
grav lifts.
I did a full search for collar in all T&H books, but nothing like you wanted came up...
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Yeah, that's not it either. I'm somewhat sensitive to nouns, so if I'd been riffing on that I would have used the word "badge".

I'm definately thinking of some sort of pin or pip...maybe not on the collar, maybe on the shoulder instead. I want to say it's maybe mentioned around the Talent dress uniform (I only recall it mentioned once). I want to say Talent dress uniforms are blue? Or am I swiping that from the Navy?

It is possible that I swiped the idea of Talent pins from Star Trek somehow and somehow convinced myself it was Talent canon. They wear pips on ther collars.

I'll have to track down a copy of Damia's Children or Lyon's Pride...I don't think what I'm thinking of is in Damia or The Rowan. It wouldn't be in The Tower and the Hive, because most of my mental image of the Talent world pre-dates the publication of that one.
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in the Lyons pride the primes had pips on their collars that designated them talents. it was described at the "gathering" at phobos(?) base to explore the original captured sphere. Thian had it on his collar. As far as it goes in the initial meeting Afra had with Gollee, Reidinger had noted that he had T-4's coming out his ears. likely Gollee's twic duties were more administrative, which made it possible for him to direct Training and assessment. Earth having a larger number of talents than any other world. not necessarily as talent heavy as Deneb by percentage, but having a huge population is going to have a huge number of talents.
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Yeah, that's not it either. I'm somewhat sensitive to nouns, so if I'd been riffing on that I would have used the word "badge".

I'm definately thinking of some sort of pin or pip...maybe not on the collar, maybe on the shoulder instead. I want to say it's maybe mentioned around the Talent dress uniform (I only recall it mentioned once). I want to say Talent dress uniforms are blue? Or am I swiping that from the Navy?

It is possible that I swiped the idea of Talent pins from Star Trek somehow and somehow convinced myself it was Talent canon. They wear pips on ther collars.

I'll have to track down a copy of Damia's Children or Lyon's Pride...I don't think what I'm thinking of is in Damia or The Rowan. It wouldn't be in The Tower and the Hive, because most of my mental image of the Talent world pre-dates the publication of that one.


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I don't recognise that quote Hans. Is it from one of the short stories rather than the novels?
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Nope, it's definitely from early Damia. Afra is due to be interviewed by Peter Reidinger at Blundell. The security badge is only used at Blundell, not in any other Tower. They were also mentioned in TTATH, just before Clarissia & co's attack.
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