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Old Jan 12 2009, 10:13 AM   #201
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It might be better if Anne let her daughter be the keeper of Pern...Her daughter helped her with Skies of Pern (according to A Life with Dragons anyway)...and I agree re: Todd's version of Pern
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Old Jan 12 2009, 03:01 PM   #202
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Todd and Gigi are both keepers of Pern and allowed to write in it but Gigi probably won't until her son is older. Anne said to me that if Todd's daughter Ceara will be a writer, she too will get permission.
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Old Jan 12 2009, 03:43 PM   #203
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I had high hopes for Todd's version of Pern with a look at the watchwher and how they were unique from Dragons...I thought it would be interesting to see how they became the guard dogs of the Holders or the Blood Lines. I also wonder about Todd's placement of Pern in the 3rd Pass...Anne said the socio-political structures of Hall, Hold and Weyr were established by the 3rd pass....
The development of those stuctures could be interesting ....
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I have to side with EmeraldRose, I think that is where Todd is going with his series. He's developed a situation where there is a mix of Pern concepts and Terran concepts, and then a plague occurs that wreaks havok over the planet.

I suspect that in future books, we'll see 3rd pass Pern losing what remains of thier Terran roots, and the 'Canon Pern' we know finalizing itself into culture. He's actualy already been doing this but it's been very very subtle. Maybe too subtle?

My one argument with his 3rd pass pern is Watch weyrs flying nightfalls. Will he reconcile these two discrepencies with 'Canon Pern', or is his 3rd Pass Pern an alt-universe type thingy?
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Especially regarding "plagues". Some argue recurrent disasters have to be there to keep the population (humans and dragons?) as low as we eventually encounter at the start of the Ninth Pass, some two thousand Turns later.

I strongly disagree with the "terranisation" Todd is carrying through. About half a millennium should be enough not to have those... and it was evident that at the beginning of the Second Pass (Red Star Rising/Dragonseye) Pern was alread really Pernese and in that book we see the last things of Terran technology and customs die out...
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Old Jan 13 2009, 08:23 AM   #206
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The establishment or beginnings of Harper Hall are seen in DE. And that is why I thought a story (history) showing the establishment of the HHW system would be interesting --but according to the prologue in Anne's early books that would be set in 2nd fall and interval til 3rd pass...Todd's stories seem to rehash/mutilate some of Anne's stories.
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The establishment or beginnings of Harper Hall are seen in DE. And that is why I thought a story (history) showing the establishment of the HHW system would be interesting --but according to the prologue in Anne's early books that would be set in 2nd fall and interval til 3rd pass...Todd's stories seem to rehash/mutilate some of Anne's stories.
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a resounding NO on most of his books. a small percentage fits in, or fills in, gaps left in AMC canon, but even that needs reworking. im thinking specifically of the business of the whers. while i am glad that something is finally being done with them- always have wondered about them,/been interested in knowing more, some of the stuff he has come up with is insane. 'eating' Thread, for instance, when its been proven that only things like stone and metal are able to withstand the impact of it.

over and over, he contradicts himself and his mother....leaving me, at least, confused.
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Honestly, I hardly consider his fanfic-quality stories "books"..... urgh.
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yeah, fanfic written by somone who has no real grasp of the canon of the original books. there are parts i like, but i swear, where is is his head?! the stories are getting weirder, more depressing, and more illogical with each new book. i honestly dont know if i can bear to read another one. if i knew someone here, who feels the same way about them, but isnt as emotionally hurt by them, i would ask them to read the next one-whenever it comes out- and tell me exactly what happens. ok, im strange...i dont like suprises, and when it comes to hurtful ones, i really do need to know ahead of time.

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I know what you mean, it took me a bit to done with it, if I didn't have such a hard time translating my feedback into writing then, I could help out.

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yeah, fanfic written by somone who has no real grasp of the canon of the original books. there are parts i like, but i swear, where is is his head?! the stories are getting weirder, more depressing, and more illogical with each new book. i honestly dont know if i can bear to read another one. if i knew someone here, who feels the same way about them, but isnt as emotionally hurt by them, i would ask them to read the next one-whenever it comes out- and tell me exactly what happens. ok, im strange...i dont like suprises, and when it comes to hurtful ones, i really do need to know ahead of time.
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There are parts of his work I consider long overdue. Women on blue dragons is one of the smaller examples. That there's more going on with the watchwhers is heavily hinted in DragonsDawn, since it turns out that there was never any need to recode the dragons. (Wind Blossom does make a successful clutch after her grandmother dies by doing the genetic equivalent of copy+paste.)

I just don't think I find the overall work very convincing, and the writing quality is poor - and I don't think his mother was any great prose stylist either. You can use his work for fanon purposes, but I'd prefer to see it heavily modified.
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We do see hints of this in some of Anne's books as I've said before. And we also see something how do I put this, weather wise, threadfall condition, in more areas and from higher up. Point of View more Fighting Wings then say the Queen's Wing as an example. Moreta,

Quite a twist to have them change to how can I put it from keeping the wings together, fighting at the same way, kind like a cross between a carriage return, with fixed wings to mixed wings and chop and change I think.

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I just don't think I find the overall work very convincing, and the writing quality is poor - and I don't think his mother was any great prose stylist either. You can use his work for fanon purposes, but I'd prefer to see it heavily modified.
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I think the problem is someone seems to have decided to try and skew them 'young adult' and taken that to mean they need really young characters. I don't get, either, why he needs to retread the same time frame over and over and over.
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Could it be because he's not the world builder his mother is?
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I think the problem is someone seems to have decided to try and skew them 'young adult' and taken that to mean they need really young characters. I don't get, either, why he needs to retread the same time frame over and over and over.
Now you mention that (retreading) I suddenly realise that that is one of the things I dislike most. There seems to be no progression in the series and/or 'adventures', especially if the plotlines are not strong.
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Old Nov 17 2010, 10:43 AM   #217
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Yeah, I think it would be far more enjoyable if I thought things were progressing.
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for that matter, the way he has made a raunchy quortette of the main characters, it is *far* from being a child's/young adult book! i was disgusted by the changes in the sexual ethics todd has introduced, and, stupidly, had hoped it was going to be limted to that book. sorry, nope. lets just turn up the wick, and make it worse.

i know many will disagree with me on this, but name me one time his mother had this kind of thing go on? AMC was also very discreet in the encounters....todd is blatant, and to write about sexual encounters between adults and underage children is considered illegal in this country. so how AMC allowed it, saddens me. they shouldnt need the money that badly, to lower her standards to include porn..


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I wouldn't care about number/combination of participants as that's more reasonable for the Weyr system as Anne created it (she talked a LOT about the non-traditional Weyr morality, even if she rarely wrote it) but I really don't especially want to read about fourteen-year-olds getting it on.
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thats what i found so appalling-an adult man, taking advantage of a child who's head is a little too big for her hats because of circumstances. he should have taken her by the shoulders that first time, turned her around, and at the very least, headed her toward the weyr of someone her own age.

if this kind of thing is going to be taken in and considered "canon" for Pern books, i propose there be two canons:

*one, for the original AMC Pern, as she originally created and envisioned it.

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*two, a second "canon', for those who think the radical things such as this are acceptable and create a canon for Todd's version of Pern.


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Age of consent has varied over the ages. Go back around a hundred years and for England it was 12 for girls and 14 for boys. In U.S. states it varied widely but 12 was not unknown here and there.

When the current UK legislation was brought in 16 was picked because it was the age at which the average female started periods ( In France it is fifteen; Albania it is 14).

Current US legislation varies from state to state between 14 - 18, but it appears that some states allow sex as young as 14, so long as the other person is of a similar age.

It is also illegal for an American citizen or resident to have sex in another country with someone aged under 16, unless the age difference is less than 4 years, in which case the minimum age is 12.
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Personally I wouldn't want to read about someone her own age, either. Teens having sex is not very appealing. Age of consent has very little to do with mental maturity. Frankly there are people in their thirties who shouldn't be making those kinds of decisions yet, either. But at least reading about them doesn't make one feel like a paedophile.
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i totally agree with you. his mother handled the mating flights very discreetly, and todd's hand is clear even in the most recent books that bear his mothers name, specifically "Skys of Pern". i will not allow my own teens to read todd's books that have that level of detail, unless i have edited out those sections. many will think i am too restrictive/old fashioned/etc, but i dont care. many today have forgotten things that kept society safe, and that many such thing are learned in childhood and in the critical teenage years. we are teaching our children good taste in books, but unfortunately that includes allowing AMCs books, and banning or editing her son's. very sad.


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Oh, I have no problem with explicit sex. (As long as it's not Ikea Erotica. I know which slot tab A goes in.) I read Clan of the Cave Bear when I was ten. But teenagers are kind of dull to begin with and the thought of them having sex is just off-putting. (If forced to chose, young girl/older man at least doesn't bother me as much as two teens or the other way round but really.) Heck, I have a basic problem with a fourteen-year-old being that important to saving the entire planet.

And the endless repetition. I think the only books Anne did that just repeated the EXACT same timeline were Moreta/Nerilka. The Harper Hall only loosely overlaps the main books and it's not retreading main plot points.
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If you are talking about the mating flight in Skies of Pern|SoP, then yes,
Also they tried there best to handle discreetly the watch-whers mating in Dragon's Fire and I think Todd's one in Dragonsblood was showing well, with how a uncontroled rider/queen and the results.

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i totally agree with you. his mother handled the mating flights very discreetly, and todd's hand is clear even in the most recent books that bear his mothers name, specifically "Skys of Pern". i will not allow my own teens to read todd's books that have that level of detail, unless i have edited out those sections. many will think i am too restrictive/old fashioned/etc, but i dont care. many today have forgotten things that kept society safe, and that many such thing are learned in childhood and in the critical teenage years. we are teaching our children good taste in books, but unfortunately that includes allowing AMCs books, and banning or editing her son's. very sad.
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I read Clan of the Cave Bear when I was ten.
So did I! My mum wouldn't let me read the second one until I was older though, for much the same reason Lady D. mentions. I guess she forgot the first one was just as explicit..
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Oh, I wasn't supposed to read Valley of the Horses, but I did. It got rather old. (I've never bothered with the rest. TV Tropes has someone calling the Earth's Children series "Mary Sue walks across Europe. Slowly.") I don't remember mom ever telling me not to read anything in particular after that.
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I'm not the only one who got into their mom's "Earth's Children" series at an early age? Whew!

On censoring what kids read, though, I think some of it depends on how much the individual child can handle. I was reading practically at a college level in fourth grade, and oblivious enough to much that I wasn't affected by some of the stuff I read.
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Yeah, I'm not quite sure why I wouldn't allow a child to read something, on the assumption that either they are well-raised enough to not act out what they're reading (which is on me as a parent) or the worst of it will go over their head. I read Moreta when I was nine or ten, and don't ask how long it took before I realized what was going on while they were harvesting needlethorn. (Okay, I had a general idea about Moreta and Alessan. It wasn't until later I realized what Anne was implying about everyone ELSE on the trip! Though Capiam/Desdra OTP.)

I UNDERSTOOD Valley of the Horses--I just got really bored with it!
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ok, call it a matter of Catholic morals then. and also watching my daughter struggling with her emotions over a crush on an attractive male teacher hasnt helped encourage me to put additional pressure on her thinking about that aspect of life at this time in hers. she has her hands full doing her job-being a teenager in highschool, possibly with learning disabilties, and having to take over many of my own household work.
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Yeah, I'm another one who was reading adult stuff by the age of 12. And well Pern isn't the tamest series for that kind of thing it's definitely not the most explicit out there. Even Todd's stuff, though I'll agree it's more explicit than most of Anne's stuff was.

Also, I was under the impression that Skies of Pern was purely Anne's work. Wasn't it published in 2001, well before Todd got on the scene as a writer of Pern?
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Old Nov 30 2010, 08:46 PM   #232
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from what i've heard, hes been 'helping out' for years, with his mom acknowledging it in dedications or in cons. i dont recall which book it was, but a doctor of ours said that he had had a hand in as far back as "All the Weyrs" and "MasterHarper"....dont remember where her info came from. but i didnt like that she had also said that AMC had to do this, to continue 'writing', because she had a drinking problem. needless to say, i stopped taking Pern books with me when i went to that particular doctor!
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Interesting. Does, your doctor know Anne personally? You see, I do.

If I were like her doctor I'd probably would guess she (your doctor) has a drinking problem...
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Yeah, say what? I have never heard Anne needed to write because of a drinking issue. (How would that even work?) They might need to keep earning money in Ireland because I can't see that total income-tax exemption thing being long for this world now...

I don't worry about morals in books being consistent with external morals. Just INTERNALLY consistent. (Pern has some problems there, too!)

And if she's got a crush, it's past time to think about it and talk about. Not read adult books, necessarily, but definitely beyond pretending sex doesn't exist and why people have romantic feelings in the first place. If anything a good introduction to the mechanics will generally put an intelligent child off the whole business for a while. Mystification rarely helps.
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Yeah, say what? I have never heard Anne needed to write because of a drinking issue. (How would that even work?) They might need to keep earning money in Ireland because I can't see that total income-tax exemption thing being long for this world now...

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I think the implication was that she had to get Todd to help with the writing 'because she had a drinking problem'.
I don't know whether there is any truth in this.

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I think the implication was that she had to get Todd to help with the writing 'because she had a drinking problem'.
I don't know whether there is any truth in this.

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Not her! Her ex-husband the had drinking problem, I'm not too sure if I should say this, Dragonholder by Todd McCaffrey, Quest which I'm not taking part in.
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That's what I was thinking, Ginny, but it's been a while since I read Dragonholder.

And I don't know, maybe she needed help because, oh, she's an elderly lady not in the best of health? Sheesh. Maybe the doctor was confused....
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That's what I was thinking, Ginny, but it's been a while since I read Dragonholder.

And I don't know, maybe she needed help because, oh, she's an elderly lady not in the best of health? Sheesh. Maybe the doctor was confused....
She has used him to help write out other things in her other books, with my books half packed, here and storage, it hard to check, but I do recall some of the aid she got from him. Also many others, who I not going go into right now.
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At Eurocon '07 it was mentioned 'off record' that she needed to keep earning because she had a number of dependents who relied on her.
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Maybe the doctor means she herself, the doctor, had a drinking problem, and reading Anne's books made her not want to drink, so Anne had better keep writing?
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