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Nathi
Join Date: Sep 2014
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In wikipedia, it says that Nitric Acid is used industrially as a fertilizer by being neutralized with ammonia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitric_acid
In most of the pern books, agenothree is mentioned as being used in actual flamethrowers. DD mentions that it can be made pretty "cheaply" with air and water using hydroelectricity, and that using a wet cloth on a spill within 20 seconds could keep it from burning too badly. Interestingly enough, they mention that using HNO3 on Thread would be like using both fire and water on it. https://books.google.com/books?id=KE...q=hno3&f=false Doesn't the Master Smithhall have waterwheels? And since Fandarel knew enough chemistry to make a wet battery with Sulfuric Acid, and he says they already used Nitric Acid it to etch designs into knives, they must have had some way to produce it, right? The Pern Encyclopedia (http://www.pern.nl/pe/H_table.html) has this to say about it: Quote:
Also, Pern wiki mentions that in Dragonheart,"the old firestone" (flamestone, which was mistaken for proper firestone during the Second Interval-Third Pass, unstable and exploded if it got wet) was being used in flamethrowers. Could firestone be the other ingredient? Dragons digest firestone, and Nitric Acid is pretty corrosive so... maybe? http://pern.wikia.com/wiki/Firestone http://pern.wikia.com/wiki/Dragonheart |
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Muskie
Join Date: Oct 2017
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I have found out what the 'missing' ingredient for agenothree is. Peroxide. Add peroxide to hno3 and you have what is called a hypergloic mixture. It will self ignite and burn readily, it is easily within the technology levels of even the lowest levels. The Germans in WWII had a similar mixture for the rocket aircraft, but much more toxic.
I hope that clears up the recipe for flamethrowers.. |
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Loo Cow
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Vermont
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I asked a friend about this whose father was a chemist. She said the agenothree tanks can be 2 cylinders (ceramic as to not react with metal), one with nitric acid and the other turpentine by using trees. Trees can be tapped sort of like for rubber or syrup, but images I've seen show more hacking into the bark, so I wonder if it killed the tree after the process.
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