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Old Nov 19 2006, 05:03 PM   #1
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*lol* I was looking around my Pern folder for the file I kept for Pernese sayings and proverbs and found this one... It was a post I originally made at the old KT years ago in response to someone asking for ways to insult people on Pern. I've looked around and didn't see a thread for Pernese insults here, so I hope it hasn't been done before. Enjoy!

There's your typical flitter-brained deadglow, a crackdusted Gather-fool acting like a sun-crazed wher, the kind of person who would try blowing out the glows. There's a black ovine in every family, a rotten egg, someone born under the Red Star and full of Thread. You'll find the hidebound old Threadspore, friendly as a tunnelsnake and generally acting the wherry. You might run across a gasbag, all firestone and ash, still wet behind the earknobs and just blowing smoke, and you might be tempted to tell that knee-high to a crawler upstart and his flitter-brained flying watchwher to go back to the barracks. There's the old wherry cock, ugly as a watchwher, smelling like a tunnelsnake fart and looking either like something the wher dragged in or like Thread warmed over. It'll be a warm night between before you'd even consider dealing with this wherry-faced pile of tunnelsnake poop, so tell him to shove between and go chase himself. Of course that might get that fardling piece of Threadfodder mad as a wet wherry. Then there's the scaredy-flit, acting like a wher afraid of its own shadow. And last but not least, you might meet a snake-oil trader, slippery as a greased tunnelsnake and lower than said tunnelsnake's belly. Not for all the sand in Igen would you want to make any deals with that Bitran!

What other names might one be called on Pern?
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Old Nov 20 2006, 03:40 AM   #2
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Wow.

I think you've covered pretty much everything there!


Except the variant of deadglow, dimglow, I think.
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Old Jan 12 2008, 01:02 AM   #3
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I think i might have a few to add.
You'er as useless as a greenies egg. I would rather kiss a watchwher than you, Atleast they'er prettier. Why dont go play out in a fall.
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I like the last two, AD!
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That sounds like a fairly comprehensive list! I like the last one, ancientdracos!
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That sounds like a fairly comprehensive list! I like the last one, ancientdracos!
It'd be our equivalent of saying 'Go play marbles on the M1' xD
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Very true!

Sorry to go marginally off-topic, but I was always fond of the Pernese oaths, too, as well as the insults - Shards, shells and suchlike. When I first starting reading the series about fifteen years ago, there weren't too many other sci-fi or fantasy books that had their own system of cursing/swearing based on the culture. It was just another facet that endeared me to Anne's books.
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I too am fond of them, I've made a little list (though I think you hit most of them in the initial post):

By the shell!
By the Egg of Faranth!
For the Egg's sake!
Shards!
Shardit!
By Fall, fog, and fire!
By the First Egg!
By the First Shell!
For the love of little dragons!
[I wouldn't want to be that child] ...for all the diamonds on Ista's beaches.
Jays! †
Great golden eggs!
Eggshells!
[If he was caught, his life] ... wouldn't be worth a wax mark.
Gratitude is an ill-fitting tunic that can chafe and smell if worn too long.
You can't change a watch-wher into a dragon. *
[Your being a Lord Holder] wouldn't matter a grain of sand in Igen [if Ramoth came back and caught us here.]
He wouldn't give coordinates to save a rider's life.
You deadglow!
I'd be as thick as a hold door [if I didn't realize you Harpers keep busy down South.]

† - "Jays!" as a secular replacement for the Lord's-name-in-vain "Jesus!" ? Deprecated after the First Pass.
* - amusingly enough, Wind Blossom ends up making an elixir that would do just that as a last resort.

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<snip>....and his flitter-brained flying watchwher ...<snip>
Don't want to be the person who this Thread is describing, but "flitter" is a fanfic term and not one that exists on Anne's Pern (as far as we know). Umm. Just so we're all clear (And, yes, there is always one, and it's always me!! )
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Sorry, Gidget, but while it's not used precisely as such, the word "flitter" does have a legitimate origin in a quotation from Dragonquest

“No, Rannelly, I’ve not seen Kylara all morning,” Brekke told the old woman patiently, for the fourth time that morning.
“And you’ve not taken a good look at your own poor queen, either, I’ll warrant, fooling around with these — these nuisancy flitterbys,” Rannelly retorted, grumbling as she limped out of the Weyrhall.

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Sorry, gidget, but while it's not used as such, the phrase "flitter" does have a legitimate origin in a quotation from Dragonquest

“No, Rannelly, I’ve not seen Kylara all morning,” Brekke told the old woman patiently, for the fourth time that morning.
“And you’ve not taken a good look at your own poor queen, either, I’ll warrant, fooling around with these — these nuisancy flitterbys,” Rannelly retorted, grumbling as she limped out of the Weyrhall.
LOL Then I stand corrected and apologise profusely!!!!!!!!
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No need to apologise profusely, a simple version would do *ducks and runs*

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Thank you It's one of my favourite lines (obviously).
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A flitterby reminds me of the real world word Butterfly. Which doesn't make sense as an actual insect, they more or less FLUTTER by. Maybe it was distorted after a while, or misheard then passed along.
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I think i might have a few to add.
You'er as useless as a greenies egg. I would rather kiss a watchwher than you, Atleast they'er prettier. Why dont go play out in a fall.
hmmm... Useless as a greenies egg..... kinda reinforcing the negative. wouldn't "As useful as a Green's egg" be more biting?

One oath, rather forceful one I remember was "Blast the shell and sear the shards!" kinda came across as a parent using ALL the kid's names when calling them. WELL beyond save the watch stage.
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How about Thick-wit, hidebound, wherry face and my mind just blank out between on the rest.

crackdust too or well dusted?

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Well if you think it's an insult to say something's ruined/destroyed etc than I guess you can count that's well dusted as an insult...
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I have a couple in the Pernese oaths category. . .

Shaffit!

And Scorch the shell and sear the. . . (darn, somebody help me out! I just forgot)

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I always thought "well dusted" was similiar to "well spotted" as in"you are so incredibly obvious, you're pathetic." I.e. "Duh! Ya think. . . ?"
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Where did you find "Shaffit"?
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hmmm... Useless as a greenies egg..... kinda reinforcing the negative. wouldn't "As useful as a Green's egg" be more biting?
It certainly sounds better. Even if the second awards more stupidity to the Green mother than to the poor innocent egg

That would be a quite modern oath, since only Green firelizards (opposed to Green dragons) lay eggs, and they are back on Pernese shoulder's only since the 9th Pass. This common knowledge of the Green behaviour would be known only by lucky firelizard owners.

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Hans - I'm pretty sure "shaffit" would be from Dragonsdawn. Also sounds like something that might be in the Crystal Singer books.
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'Well dusted' might not be an insult as it CAN mean 'that 's done and dusted' i.e. 'finished it!'
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"Shaffit" is my Pernese expletive of choice; you can really spit it out. The fricative-plosive combo in "shaffit" -- and "Frak," for that matter -- almost gives me the same kind of satisfaction as the eff-word.

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And it has more style to boot...

AND make people go... hey what did she say... instead of .. oh god, another little bitch with not much vocabulary... (and we al know THAT is not true, not by a long shot)
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AND make people go... hey what did she say... instead of .. oh god, another little bitch with not much vocabulary... (and we al know THAT is not true, not by a long shot)
Well, I don't use it in REAL life. That would be weird, and completely ineffective because no one else around me would know what it means. A curse word is only as effective as its imagery. ;>

I default to sh-- or the f-word. Precisely BECAUSE I have vocabulary, I appreciate the value of a good cuss word when it's called for. ;>
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For less serious frustrations, "Blargh!" is pretty satisfying...
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I generaly refuse to cuss. The made up ones cna be quite funny. The 'regular' cuss word don't have the same cathartic release as they seem to have for others.
Unfortutaly since they are in such rapid use on TV and general life in my country, the effect is lost. Their shock value is gone.
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I have to admit, when I do something like fall out of a canoe, I don't have a chance to think of an alternative to the S word...
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I have found in real life that it is cvery interesting to come up with your own cuss words and use them consequently. People pay attention, often ask and sometimes they copy you, which is funny and great.

I hardly eve use the common stuff. It's so boring, commonplace and uninventive. Over- and misuse of the word f-u-c-k irritates me no end. For instance, I can' t even watch programs with Gordon Ramsay in it, I really can't. I get irritated too much. (I must admit what also irritates me that IF I want to type it, in context, I am forbidden to do so but then, I've never been someone who is comfortable with forbidding)
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I believe F'nor called Brekke a 'silly clunch' because of the anguish she put herself through.
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Kiplingsed to refer to the F-word as 'the army adjective'!
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The army adjective, noun, even pronoun at times.

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I won't get on my soap box on the 'F word'.

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Sometimes I bring up it's 'class' to a more brainy form. For instance, saying."Someone experiancing cranial rectal inverson." instead of it's more cruder counterpart. It gets some "huh?!?" looks, usually folsk will stop think and about it.
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I find that "buckets of flying Christ" tends to get the most attention -- but I can't take credit for it. Found it on the internets somewhere, years ago.

I do like creative combinations of existing cuss words. F--khead, assf---, etc. F---tard has gone over EXTREMELY well with friends and even led to Debbie(damoodymom) using it on one of her podcasting shows (which itself led to an awesome cartoon and the dubious honor of "Best Voicemail Show Ever!!"). Can't take credit for that one, either, but people like to give me credit anyway. ;>
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Sometimes I bring up it's 'class' to a more brainy form. For instance, saying."Someone experiancing cranial rectal inverson." instead of it's more cruder counterpart. It gets some "huh?!?" looks, usually folsk will stop think and about it.
Oh, I might have to borrow that! I've run across a similar one, "Richard Cranium"

And I've used bovine excreta for years, got it from a book. Also mentallum caca among others from a friend who likes to use Gaelic and Latin.
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ROTFL!! Some of those are funny.
Sometiems I'll use latin. "You'er being a pain in the podex bub."

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heard about one, and use it fairly regularly. its a hand gesture...... pinky extended........ and its called "a feather" for those people who don't deserve the whole bird (that would be another finger..... at least here in the United states)
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I generally don't curse very often, but when I do, they-um-notice. I'll occasionally use words ANd phrases that are left over from my "misspent youth" (!!)

"Well pin a rose on your nose and call yourself a flowerpot!" when someone is acting annoyingly superior

"Crud" "Darn" "crudola"

And the other day when I was going much too fast, was over-confident, creamed a doorway, squished a hand, and to top it off, ended with a nice embarassing clunking noise. "Shards!!"accompanied by a violent punch at the aforementioned offending doorway. (See what happens when you get over-confident?)

Conventional swear words are just verbal crutches.
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