![]() |
![]() |
#1 |
Inactive
![]() Join Date: Mar 2005
Gender: M
Fan of: PERN!!!
Now Reading: Lord of the Rings
|
![]()
Yup, the ever resurfacing topic of dragon sizes that never seems to get resolved
![]() I know there must be more, but those are all I can manage to find. So if anyone can find any new ones, I'd be very appreciative! No DLG quotes please ![]() ![]() And if anyone can figure out how big the Northern Maid sailing ship that I mentioned in there would be, that'd be cool too ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#2 |
Master Archivist
![]() Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland, USA
Gender: F
Fan of: Pern!
Now Reading: Paladin of Souls (Bujold)
|
![]()
Spiffy, it'd be handy if you could copy the whole of that post over here -- easier for people to read and reply to with quotes.
__________________
Visit one of the other sites of Cheryl's Anne McCaffrey Triad: Sariel's Guide to Pern: a detailed guide to the series The Many Works of Anne McCaffrey: largest fan site about Anne and ALL of her works McCaffrey Quest: annual trivia contest. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#3 | |
Inactive
![]() Join Date: Mar 2005
Gender: M
Fan of: PERN!!!
Now Reading: Lord of the Rings
|
![]()
Ok
![]() Original Dragons 1. A third of the size of Ramoth 2. 16 hands at the shoulder Ruth 3. Just bigger than Jaxom's torso at hatching 1. Just over a third the size of Ramoth 4. Bigger than any runnerbeast by half- to a full head. Eye level of F'lar. 5. Half the size of his peers Modern Dragons 6. Ramoth's head is as large as Lessa's Torso at hatching 7. Average dragon is 3 times size of a horse 8. Mnementh is twice the size of the Oldtimers 9. Mnementh's eye is on a level with F'lar's with his chin to the ground at a certain angle 10. A queen dragon is the length of a 14-person ship 1. All the Weyrs of Pern: Images of two dragons flicked onto Aivas's screen. "The bronze is Carenath, Sean O'Connell is his rider, and the other is Faranth and Sorka Hanrahan." Two more dragons appeared on the screen, three times the size of the first two. "Now, there are Ramoth and Mnementh. The scale of comparison is accurate." 2. Dragonsdawn: (about Cricket) "Grand fellow, though," Red remarked, nodding his head approvingly. "Make a good sixteen hands, if I'm any judge." The bronze was nearly the same height in the shoulder as Cricket, though the conformation was entirely different, Carenath being much longer in the body, deeper in the barrel, and stronger in the hindquarters. In fact, the dragons already were much stronger than similar equines, their basic structure much more durable, utilizing carborundums for strength and resilience. 3. Dragonquest: Jaxom ripped the slippery stuff open with his belt knife and, from the sac, fell a tiny white body, not much larger than Jaxom’s torso. 4. The White Dragon: "Hey, now," N'ton reacted to Jaxom's sad sigh, "he's bigger than any runner beast by half a head, isn't he?" His attention was centered on Ruth, and the white dragon raised his head slightly to be at eye level with the tall Weyrleader. ... "Ruth's a full head higher in the shoulder than runner beasts. Sturdier, too." 5. The White Dragon: "Yes, Jaxom, Ruth is a proper dragon, for all he's half the size of his fellows!" 6. Dragonflight: Why hadn't that silly clunk-headed girl stepped aside, Lessa thought, grabbing for the wedgehead, at birth not much larger than her own torso. 7. Interview: ...fighting adragonback is hard work, and keeping them clean is harder. You've groomed horses - multiply that by three times and you've got the size of a dragon to keep clean. 8. The White Dragon: Toric wasn't looking at him. He was staring up at the ledge where bronze Mnementh was seated on his haunches, regarding the new arrivals, his jewel-faceted eyes gleaming in the dim light. ... "He's almost twice as big as any of the Oldtimers' beasts," Toric said in a respectfully hushed voice. "And I thought N'ton's Lioth was big!" 9. Dragonflight - Mnementh arched his neck, angling his head so that his chin rested on the ground. Mnementh's many-faceted eyes, on a level with F'lar's head, fastened with disconcerting interest on the approaching party. 10. The MasterHarper of Pern: There were two other women in the crew of fourteen, for the Northern Maid was the length of a queen dragon. Problem - if Ruth's shoulder is about 6 feet tall (reasoning that a runnerbeast is 16 hands - 64 inches - tall, and add a head, 10 inches? That adds to just over 6 feet. That would mean that his head would have to be straight out infront of him, maybe slightly higher, to be at an eye level with F'lar. It says that Ruth had to RAISE his head to be at eye level with him? That doesn't make sense, his head could easily reach to at least 7 or 8 feet if his shoulders were at 6. Perhaps it means the wing shoulder rather than arm shoulder, which should be quite a bit lower anyway? Also, how long would a 14 person ship be? It can't be TOO big, because it was possible to be sailed by only 4 people - Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#4 | ||||
Inactive
![]() Join Date: Nov 2005
Gender: F
Fan of: Dragonriders of Pern |
![]()
TWD onli.
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
DF online Quote:
|
||||
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#5 |
Inactive
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Buffalo, NY
Gender: F
Fan of: The Dragonriders of Pern
Now Reading: Dragonsblood
|
![]()
If you check in the dragonriders guide to pern it actually shows a size chart as well as some pictures.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#6 |
Inactive
![]() Join Date: Mar 2005
Gender: M
Fan of: PERN!!!
Now Reading: Lord of the Rings
|
![]()
Thanks Chim! And Lertia, I won't use any references from the DLG because it's notorious for inaccuracy. It says that they are up to 45 meters long, which Anne has noted as incorrect, she says they should rather be 45 FEET long. But I'm looking for references direcly from the novels, as they are the only thing that can be taken as canon.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#7 |
Journeyman Harper Roedin
Wing Second
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Great Britain
Gender: M
Fan of: the Dragonriders of Pern!
Now Reading: The Elder Gods - Eddings
|
![]()
Don't discount the DLG completely, Spiff! It is useful - you just have to take it with a pinch of salt, and compare with the books first.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#8 |
Inactive
![]() Join Date: Mar 2005
Gender: M
Fan of: PERN!!!
Now Reading: Lord of the Rings
|
![]()
Yes, there are useful bits, but mostly it will remain decorative for me. Because of it's reputation, I'll never take a DLG quote seriously
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#9 |
Dragonrider
![]() ![]() Weyrwoman Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Delft
Gender: F
Fan of: Most of them :)
Now Reading: Don't You Have Time To Think- RP Feynman
|
![]()
Isn't there a reference to a 6 ft head?
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#10 |
Inactive
![]() Join Date: Mar 2005
Gender: M
Fan of: PERN!!!
Now Reading: Lord of the Rings
|
![]()
That rings a bell, but I can't remember which book...
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#11 |
Starsmith
![]() ![]() Weyrwoman Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Oop North
Fan of: Moreta |
![]()
There's another oblique reference in the early part of Dragonflight: you get a rough idea of the size of Mnementh's paws when he stops Lessa from running off.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#12 |
Inactive
![]() Join Date: Mar 2005
Gender: M
Fan of: PERN!!!
Now Reading: Lord of the Rings
|
![]()
Ah yes, when he's caging Lessa with his claws
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#13 |
Dragonrider
![]() ![]() Weyrwoman Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Delft
Gender: F
Fan of: Most of them :)
Now Reading: Don't You Have Time To Think- RP Feynman
|
![]()
I remember now Ramoth pojkes her man-sized head at someone ( I think R'gul) in DF!
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#14 |
Guest
|
![]()
DF online
Ramoth yawned mightily. Lessa was instantly on her feet, running to her dragon's side, her slight figure dwarfed by the six-foot dragon head |
![]() |
![]() |
#15 |
Inactive
![]() Join Date: Mar 2005
Gender: M
Fan of: PERN!!!
Now Reading: Lord of the Rings
|
![]()
Ah, perfect! Thank you!
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#16 |
Guest
|
![]()
Keep in mind it was in "Dragonflight," before anne really developed her dragons all the way.
|
![]() |
![]() |
#17 |
Inactive
![]() Join Date: Mar 2005
Gender: M
Fan of: PERN!!!
Now Reading: Lord of the Rings
|
![]()
*blink* I could have sworn I replied to that post, but now it's missing!
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#18 | |
Dragonrider
![]() ![]() Weyrwoman Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Delft
Gender: F
Fan of: Most of them :)
Now Reading: Don't You Have Time To Think- RP Feynman
|
![]() Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#19 |
Crafter
![]() Craftmaster Join Date: May 2006
Location: Wolverhampton
Gender: M
Fan of: Favorite?
Now Reading: avidly
|
![]()
I always took it that Mnementh's eye was level with F'lar's (i.e. around 5'6")when his (Mnementh's) chin was resting on the ground. Since Ruth is/was smaller than Mnementh, HE had to raise his chin off the floor to look into Jaxom's eyes.
I haven't found any references to the proportions of the front claws to the rest of the beast so the bit about caging Lessa might just mean that the feet/paws are larger than the "classic" illustrations. I agree about overall length: 40 - 60 ft makes more sense. Somewhere there's a reference to dragons flying over Pern at 1000 body lengths altitude. 40 - 60,000 ft is between 5 to 7.5 miles! About do-able given a deepeer atmosphere than ours. But 40 - 60,000 metres up? Not very likely. (Here,100,000 m qualifies you for your astronaut wings.)
__________________
"Truth is stranger than fiction: fiction has to make sense." Leo Rosten. "When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." C. S. Lewis "I find television very educational. Whenever somebody switches it on I go in the other room and read a book." (attributed to Groucho Marx) The Pedants are revolting! (against bad grammar) |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#20 |
Guest
|
![]()
i seem to recall that in the back of Moreta, they listed the size of dragons. It was in the back where they have a list and short definitions of Pernese terms like numbweed, HNO3, etc. i'll have to find the book and see.
|
![]() |
![]() |
#21 |
Inactive
![]() Join Date: Mar 2005
Gender: M
Fan of: PERN!!!
Now Reading: Lord of the Rings
|
![]()
Yes, it states them to be up to 45 meters long. But Anne has since said that those are errors, they are supposed to be up to 45 feet long. But still, I'm rather nit-picky and stubborn when it comes to this, and I'd much sooner take information within the story over something in the back of the book. It doesn't seem like Anne strictly keeps to those guidelines while writing the story, so whatever the majority of evidence points to I'd take as Canon rather than the guideline.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#22 | |
Inactive
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Ascension Island, South Atlantic Ocean
Gender: M
|
![]() Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#23 |
Inactive
![]() Join Date: Mar 2005
Gender: M
Fan of: PERN!!!
Now Reading: Lord of the Rings
|
![]()
Oooh thank you! Great finds
![]() I'm very hesitant to take anything from Todd as canon, but for curiosity's sake, I'd like to see, thanks! I've only just started reading that one. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#24 | ||
Inactive
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Ascension Island, South Atlantic Ocean
Gender: M
|
![]()
I understand your hesitation; Todd seems to favor gargantuan dragons.
Quote:
Quote:
|
||
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#25 |
Inactive
![]() Join Date: Mar 2005
Gender: M
Fan of: PERN!!!
Now Reading: Lord of the Rings
|
![]()
*shudder* And Anne was supposed to be co-writing this?
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#26 |
Master Archivist
![]() Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland, USA
Gender: F
Fan of: Pern!
Now Reading: Paladin of Souls (Bujold)
|
![]()
Sheesh, Todd's 3rd Pass dragons are larger than Anne's 9th Pass dragons!
![]()
__________________
Visit one of the other sites of Cheryl's Anne McCaffrey Triad: Sariel's Guide to Pern: a detailed guide to the series The Many Works of Anne McCaffrey: largest fan site about Anne and ALL of her works McCaffrey Quest: annual trivia contest. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#27 |
Inactive
![]() Join Date: Mar 2005
Gender: M
Fan of: PERN!!!
Now Reading: Lord of the Rings
|
![]()
VERY VERY much larger! That's about 1 1/2 times larger than even the meters scale of the 9th Pass, maybe more!
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#28 |
Master Archivist
![]() Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland, USA
Gender: F
Fan of: Pern!
Now Reading: Paladin of Souls (Bujold)
|
![]()
You'd never be able to keep such a beast clean, let alone fed.
![]()
__________________
Visit one of the other sites of Cheryl's Anne McCaffrey Triad: Sariel's Guide to Pern: a detailed guide to the series The Many Works of Anne McCaffrey: largest fan site about Anne and ALL of her works McCaffrey Quest: annual trivia contest. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#29 |
Journeyman Harper Roedin
Wing Second
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Great Britain
Gender: M
Fan of: the Dragonriders of Pern!
Now Reading: The Elder Gods - Eddings
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#30 | |||
Inactive
![]() Join Date: Nov 2005
Gender: F
Fan of: Dragonriders of Pern |
![]()
Moreta online:
WARNING: "MORETA" SPOILERS! Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Last edited by Chimaerrha; Aug 18 2006 at 05:22 PM. |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#31 |
Journeyman Harper Roedin
Wing Second
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Great Britain
Gender: M
Fan of: the Dragonriders of Pern!
Now Reading: The Elder Gods - Eddings
|
![]()
Could you please post more than just quotes - how it links into the current discussion for example!
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#32 |
Talent
![]() ![]() Latent Talent Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Brisbane
Gender: F
Fan of: DDawn 1st read, love all
Now Reading: MagicKingdom4salesold ArtemisF
|
![]()
GAAH!! Post Spoiler if you're going to post quotes from books that not everyone has read yet!!!!
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#33 |
Inactive
![]() Join Date: Nov 2005
Gender: F
Fan of: Dragonriders of Pern |
![]()
Argh! Sorry, Jax.
![]() Crispy: Those quotes just showed relative size: Orlith's falling to the ground, Malth (a green)'s size. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#34 |
Talent
![]() ![]() Latent Talent Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Brisbane
Gender: F
Fan of: DDawn 1st read, love all
Now Reading: MagicKingdom4salesold ArtemisF
|
![]()
Reelie, I wasn't talking to you, Moreta has been out for years!!
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#35 |
Master Archivist
![]() Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland, USA
Gender: F
Fan of: Pern!
Now Reading: Paladin of Souls (Bujold)
|
![]()
Didn't look like there were any real plot points contained in those quotes....?
__________________
Visit one of the other sites of Cheryl's Anne McCaffrey Triad: Sariel's Guide to Pern: a detailed guide to the series The Many Works of Anne McCaffrey: largest fan site about Anne and ALL of her works McCaffrey Quest: annual trivia contest. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#36 |
Talent
![]() ![]() Latent Talent Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Brisbane
Gender: F
Fan of: DDawn 1st read, love all
Now Reading: MagicKingdom4salesold ArtemisF
|
![]()
Don't care don't caaaaaaaaare!!!
![]() ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#37 |
Master Archivist
![]() Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland, USA
Gender: F
Fan of: Pern!
Now Reading: Paladin of Souls (Bujold)
|
![]()
*pats Jax on the head and gives her a
![]() Well if you're going to have a complete blackout standard for unread books, it is going to happen to you more... ![]()
__________________
Visit one of the other sites of Cheryl's Anne McCaffrey Triad: Sariel's Guide to Pern: a detailed guide to the series The Many Works of Anne McCaffrey: largest fan site about Anne and ALL of her works McCaffrey Quest: annual trivia contest. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#38 | |
Inactive
![]() Join Date: Nov 2005
Gender: F
Fan of: Dragonriders of Pern |
![]()
Moreta online:
Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#39 |
Talent
![]() ![]() Latent Talent Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Brisbane
Gender: F
Fan of: DDawn 1st read, love all
Now Reading: MagicKingdom4salesold ArtemisF
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#40 |
Inactive
![]() Join Date: Mar 2005
Gender: M
Fan of: PERN!!!
Now Reading: Lord of the Rings
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
Thread Tools | |
|
|
![]() |
||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Dragon eggs and hatchling size | B'ney | Dragonriders of Pern | 98 | Feb 15 2016 01:29 AM |
His Majesty's Dragon by Naomi Novik | Cheryl | Beyond Anne McCaffrey | 107 | Aug 25 2015 02:55 AM |
Dragonsong: An Alternate Tune (Fiction) | Brenda | Exhibit Hall | 24 | Oct 10 2010 09:14 PM |
Dragon Size and Dragon Eggs | Pat69La | Dragonriders of Pern | 96 | May 4 2007 07:22 PM |
Dragon Hunter | Shadowdrake | Exhibit Hall | 0 | Sep 18 2006 06:38 PM |