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Hans Apr 18 2009 12:36 PM

Kolmar in real life
I've done this for years with everything named Pern. Being such an avid fan and busy with all things Pern almost every day I jst can't help myself. Anywhere I see the name or even when the word is being part of another name, my eye is attracted to it. And this doesn't happen in relation to Anne McCaffrey's Pern alone! [in Denmark: oh... Valdemar. Take a picture...]

So, when I became a fan of Elizabeth Kerner and the Tales of Kolmar that same habit started in relation to the wonderful world of Kolmar.

And here's where we can get rid of all that accumulated, mostly useless and often obscure bits of information and visual imagery named Kolmar... :grin:

I've never asked Elizabeth how she came by the name, but the first time I read it I thought I heard the name before. And I did. I heard it as the German name for the Polish city of Chodzież


It was also the name of a "Standesambt", a civil registration district located in Kreis Kolmar, province of Posen of the German Empire (1871–1918)


and a newer picture:


For those able to rad German: http://www.hkg-kolmar.org/Kolmar.htm

It's also the name of a rather beautiful littel city in Northeastern France. The French spell it Colmar, the Germans (its next door neighbours) as Kolmar:


also known as little venice (but there are dozens of cities known as that!) :)


Next time I'm in the region (the Alsace is not too far) I will definitely try to visit Kolmar / Colmar!


P'ter Apr 18 2009 12:50 PM

Re: Kolmar in real life
There's also Colmar Tropicale, A French-themed resort in Bukit Tinggi, Pahang, Malaysia

Lanen Apr 18 2009 01:27 PM

Re: Kolmar in real life
Hans, P'ter, you lads are quite amazing! Steven and I are already planning a trip to the one in France! (well, sortakinda - once the pound is a bit stronger)

I thought I made it up. I DID make it up, I just didn't realise that somebody (sombodies) else came up with it first!

I, like many fantasy authors, sometimes steal real names. There is a place called Trollingwood (which struck me as deeply bizarre in the midst of urban South Carolina), and a place called Eynhallow too. I suspect other place-names are common as well, though I thought I made up Lanen Kaelar and Maran Vena. Haven't the heart to Google them! Mostly I just like the sounds, and they fit in with the character of the place or the people. I tend to have an Anglo-Saxon bent to my constructions, though occasionally a Finnish influence comes in. I think I was frightened by the Kalevala at an early age! ;)

Hans Apr 18 2009 04:07 PM

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While Lanen does give over 76,000 hits (searching on English pages) most of them seem to derive from the (uncommon) Dutch family "Van Lanen" which is pronounced different (the a being a long open a). The name also turns up in the USA but that's no surprise (the emigrant Dutch and Germans were rather prolific)

You'll be pleased to know that the second of those many thousand hits is one to Song in the Silence on Amazon :)

"Lanen Kaelar" gives over 13,000 hits! (on English pages) but... they're all yours! :D
OK, I didn't check them all, but the vast majority, as in 99% or so, is yours.

P'ter Apr 18 2009 07:51 PM

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I have a problem with Lanen's mum. Everytime I read "Maran Vena" I get this leitmotif of the Spinners' version of "Ellen Vannin".

To add to the tally: there are about 7500 hits for Maran Vena. The top 6 are you.

It then descends to a fashion house called Vena Cava!

Hans Apr 19 2009 08:52 AM

Re: Kolmar in real life
P'ter, you should search exlusively for the combination, otherwise Google will pick up all pages with the words "maran" and "vena"; so you should search for "maran vena" (includeing the quotation marks), because only then Google will look for that exact combination.

And... then you only get 166 hits! Which I think are all Kolmar/Kerner :)

Needless to say that's what I did searching for "Laenen Kaelar".

Hans Apr 19 2009 08:57 AM

Gertrud Kolmar
A literary pseudonym for Gertrud Käthe Chodziesner (10 December 1894 – March 1943).

She was a German lyric poet and writer of distinction. She was born in Berlin and died, after her arrest and deportation as a Jew, in Auschwitz, a victim of the Nazi's Final Solution (Endlösung). Though she was a cousin of Walter Benjamin, little is known of her life. She is considered by some to be the finest female poet in the history of the German language.


Hans Apr 19 2009 09:02 AM

Kolmar Laboratories
Kolmar Laboratories, Inc. based in Port Jervis, New York is a leading provider of outsourcing services including manufacturing, packaging, and clinical services to the North American health and beauty care and healthcare markets. We offer our customers a complete range of services, including product conceptualization, formulation, manufacturing, filling, packaging, clinical stability and micro-bacterial testing services. In addition, we provide materials procurement, warehousing and distribution of finished products.

It is not a young company... Mr. Lessing L. Kole started Kolmar in October 1921 in a small store on Johnson Street in Milwaukee, WI with Dr. Frederick Marsek, who had been the Chief Chemist at Palmolive in Milwaukee. The name of "KOLMAR" was derived from their names.

Kolmar is North America's largest contract formulator and manufacturer of color cosmetics, providing a complete range of makeup and skin care products.


Hans Apr 19 2009 09:06 AM

A Dutch cleaner
Kolmar is also a Dutch cleaning and window washing company, soecialised in cleaning from floor to ceiling (their own words). They wash windows up to a height of 8 meters. No skyscrapers for Kolmar!

Their website doesn't even say where they are based but the telephione area code of 077 revelas the company is from Venlo in the Limburg province.

Hans Apr 19 2009 09:11 AM

Singer, songwriter Doug Kolmar
Cool! There's a singer singwrter named Doug Kolmar:


He's not bad, bit not my style...

Former garage-band guitarist and classically-trained composer, Doug Kolmar moved to Maine from the New York City Area in 2002. After landing in Portland, he was soon playing showcases with Just Plain Folks and Maine Songwriters Association, becoming a regular part of the fertile Portland acoustic music scene and performing at venues such as Acoustic Coffee, 128 Free Street, and festivals, including the Ossipee Valley Bluegrass Festival. He has released 3 CDs: 2001's The Whole Story is Long and Complicated (under the band name Dogs Gone Fishing) Homebody/Somebody in 2005, and As If I Was Almost Here in July, 2006.

You can listen to 30 second samples in his site: http://www.dougkolmar.com/


Lady Maelin Apr 29 2009 07:56 PM

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Whew...and here I thought I was the only one that Googled for those odd names in books. I have also gone looking for Kolmar...and Lanen etc...and for some reason it helps to make it all a bit more real to me...:erm:even though none of it is...:help:...going off now to bang my head on the nearest wall, in hopes it will get rid of the dementia problems...:evil:

Lanen May 2 2009 07:01 AM

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Can I have that wall when you're done with it, Maelin? :crazy:

P'ter May 2 2009 02:50 PM

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Why do you want her Dent-mentia?

Hans May 2 2009 04:00 PM

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Wendy Kolmar is professor of English and Women's Studies and Director of Women's Studies (I alwaus think that sounds like a school full of boys/men...) at Drew University in Madison, New Jersey.


Martin Kolmar, from Switzerland, seems to be an authority on publci fiance and fiscal law. He works at the University of Sankt Gallen in Switzerland and is known on the internet by his many publications.


Weneke Kolmar, lives in the Netherlands and is looking for family members through a hobby website for amateur-genealogists.


Hans May 2 2009 04:03 PM

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In July 2006 there's a court case in Mexico between Kolmar Petrochemicals and Grupo Idesa.

On March 10, 2005, an appeals court from Mexico's First Circuit, by refusing to grant a Writ of Amparo, confirmed a judgment issued on appeal in the matter of Kolmar Petrochemicals Americas Inc. (Amparo Directo Civil No. 127/2005, Primer Tribunal Colegiado del Primer Circuito). The Kolmar case touches on the often complex issues of contract formation, interpretation of party intent, and interpretation of the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods (hereinafter the "CISG" or the "Convention"). It also shows the difficulties in interpreting the CISG encountered by the several Mexican Courts that heard the case at different levels, the Trial Court, the Superior Court of Mexico City, and the Federal Circuit Court.

Kolmar filed a lawsuit against Idesa with the Fiftieth Civil Court of First Instance in Mexico City claiming specific performance of the November 29, 2002 contract, damages in an amount of not less than US $724,500.00, interest and costs including attorneys' fees.
In its response, Idesa raised as one of its defenses that no contract had been formed, that the e-mails were merely attempts to negotiate a contract. The Court of First Instance found this theory persuasive, and decided in favor of Idesa.

Basta? No!

Kolmar appealed to the Superior Court of Mexico City but I think we've read enough about this, right? :)

Hans May 2 2009 04:05 PM

Re: Kolmar in real life

Turns out that "De Kolmar" is a streetname in the town of Mantgum in the province of Friesland in The Netherlands!

Here's a wepage with a satellite picture to prove it: http://www.nederland-in-beeld.nl/Friesland/Mantgum/De%20Kolmar.html

Hans May 2 2009 04:08 PM

Re: Kolmar in real life
On the other side of the world Kolmar appears as an Elementary School in Oak Lawn, Illinois.

Kolmar Avenue Elementary School, located in Oak Lawn, Illinois, serves grades PK-5 in the Oak Lawn-Hometown School District 123. It is among the few public schools in Illinois to receive a distinguished GreatSchools Rating of 8 out of 10.
This school has an average Parent Rating of 5 out of 5 stars, based on reviews from 12 parents.


But also in Crestwood, Illinois! Hmm, name after the same person maybe?

Kolmar Elementary School serves Kindergarten through 8th Grade Students From The City Of Crestwood, Which Is Part Of Cook County. Some Or All Students From This School Participate In Free Or Reduced Lunch Programs.


Lanen May 6 2009 06:21 AM

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You know, I think it's just as well I never knew any of this stuff... bad enough I realised a few years ago that the producer of one of my favourite films, The Ghost and Mrs Muir, was one Fred Kohlmar!

Hans May 6 2009 07:19 AM

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Uh.. is that a subtle way of saying: shut up Hans? :D

P'ter May 6 2009 10:40 AM

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Hans May 6 2009 12:08 PM

Re: Kolmar in real life
OK then, roundabout? :D

Lanen May 14 2009 06:31 AM

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No, not at all! It just makes my mind reel a bit.

And I prefer roundabouts to traffic lights... ;) Though you're right, P'ter, I'm generally as subtle as a brick, so if you are finding subtleties in my posts, you're probably making them up yourself! :D

P'ter May 14 2009 01:12 PM

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No Dear, I'm just making up the subtleties you would have made up if you weren't so block like. :D

Lanen May 14 2009 01:49 PM

Re: Kolmar in real life
You go right ahead, P'ter. :razz: ;)

Lady Maelin May 20 2009 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Lanen (Post 142492)
Can I have that wall when you're done with it, Maelin? :crazy:

NOOOOOOOOOOO, dear friend...no wall for you, we all need your lovely dementia right where it is:tilt:...busy creating more people and adventures in Kolmar:good::good:

Lady Maelin May 20 2009 09:06 PM

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Peter...Lanen,a BLOCK... Never!! :faint2:

Lanen, you have subtleties...plenty of subtleties...lovely
delightful subtleties, especially in your characters and story
plots...WELL... until they hit us with a brick right up side
the head, with a WOW!!! now thats oh sooo incredible...how'd
that happen and where did that come from!!!:evil::lol::evil:

Lanen...say hows the writing coming along...kill anyone lately,
or bring anyone back to life? I hope its all coming along swimmingly.......:good:;):good:

Lanen May 22 2009 06:51 AM

Re: Kolmar in real life
Thanks, Maelin. :D It's coming along, but am writing a difficult emotional bit and tend to run away. Will be good this morning.

"kill anyone lately, or bring anyone back to life?"

I appreciate your wanting to know, but if I told you I'd have to kill you, and I'd hate to deprive the world of your glorious talents! :D

Hans May 22 2009 07:17 AM

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Hmm, killing of my friends would be about the only thing that would put me off your books, Lanen :D

Lanen May 22 2009 07:40 AM

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Ahh, I talk big, but I've hardly ever even wounded anybody... :evil:

P'ter May 22 2009 10:15 AM

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Unlike Ms Moon going around waving swords in all directions.

Lanen May 26 2009 06:04 AM

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Indeed. That's why I made Lanen basically a non-combatant. Elizabeth Moon knows what she's talking about, I don't. Except when it comes to disorganized mayhem, then I have a reasonable idea! :D

Lady Maelin May 27 2009 01:17 AM

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Lanen...perhaps you should take up a class in swordsmanship...it might ease some of your writer tensions...LOL.

When I hinted about bringing someone back...I think you know who I would love to see grace the Kolmar skies again...but perhaps in his newly hatched Grandson...he will live again...sob. That was one of the best cries I've had in years...

Hang in there Girl...if its that hard for you to write about it...LORD, its going to magnificent for us to read about it...you do have such an incredibly lovely way with words....I'm getting so excited again!!!

Lanen Jun 1 2009 08:58 AM

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Maelin, you sweetie, thanks so much! {{hug}} I know, I wish there were some way for Shikrar to re-join the living, but alas, gone is gone. (well, usually!)

This new book is going to be rather different - though I'm quite excited about it as well. Keeping several fingers crossed myself!

Maybe that's why it's so hard to type... :D

Lady Maelin Jun 26 2009 12:39 AM

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If you keep your fingers crossed like that your going to have a heck of a lot of cramps...and you already have enough writers cramps...let us do the finger crossing for you...we have to have something to do while we wait...LOL

Oh I have another *Kolmar*name for you...in one of Martin's *Perry Mason* T.V. series from the 50's, one of the bad guys was named *Colmar*...just thought I would add that to Hans...list of Kolmar people and places.

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